it will be interesting to see the reaction from those guys on that reply ,-))
-steven Andreas Fink wrote: > I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's > stepping totally over the fence. > > > ------SNIP---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Basel, 16. Februar 2009 > > Dossier N° PE03.018380-YNT > > Sehr geerte Damen und Herren, > > Nehmen Sie zur Kentniss das ihr Schreiben von 11. Februar 2009 für uns > keinerlei Relevanz hat. Als Internet Provider sind wir nicht > verpflichtet die Verbindungen unserer Kunden ins Internet zu > Zensurieren. Des weiteren verfügen wir nicht über die technischen > Möglichkeiten dies zu tun und haben auch keine entsprechenden > Absichten dies je zu tun. Auch wurde uns das Recht auf Anhörung > verwehrt und jegliche Rekursmöglichkeit ausgeräumt was sicher nicht im > Sinne der Rechtssprechung ist. > > Falls Sie trotzdem darauf beharren das wir diese Seiten sperren > sollen, weisen wir Sie darauf hin das dies nur unter dem Vorbehalt der > vollständigen Vorausbezahlung sämtlicher Kosten geschene würde. Wir > gehen davon aus das die Kosten für eine entsprechende Infrastruktur > sich in der Grössenordnung von mehreren hundert tausend Franken liegt. > > Mit freundlichen Grüssen > > Andreas Fink > > Geschäftsführer BebbiCell AG > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On 16.02.2009, at 16:18, Mike Kellenberger wrote: > >> What about making the site URL public so as many people as possible >> can set up a mirror before the filter for original site is installed? >> Just to show how the Web works and that site filters are no good at all… >> >> Besides, Google/Archive.org and others will have a copy as well… >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike >> >> -- >> Mike Kellenberger [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 >> http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork >> >> *Von:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Andreas Fink >> *Gesendet:* Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:09 >> *An:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Betreff:* [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud >> >> Hello Collegues, >> >> Today I got a document sent to us because we are listed as ISP. You >> probably have all received it as well. >> Its a case of a Party A against "unknown" who has said something >> wrong/bad about Party A. (Ehrverletzung/Verleumdung etc.) >> >> While I can understand that Party A tries to get their right to get >> things wrong written about them is being changed to correct, the >> ISP's of Switzerland are now out of a sudden involved in this as they >> are "in charge of blocking" the corresponding site. >> >> >> Also what upset's me most is the sentence that this is the status of >> a "Verfügung" from a "Untersuchungsrichter" and there is no legal way >> to oppose ("gegen die vorliegende Verügung keine Rechtsmittel möglich >> sind"). This might be true for the immediately accused as they had >> their chance to answer but for us "other 3rd party" ISP's it can not >> hold true as we have never heard of this case ever before and we have >> not been involved in this case before. >> >> I would suggest the ISP community of Switzerland stands up united >> against such ridiculous practice of judges who have no clue how the >> internet works: >> >> >> I see two possible ways >> >> >> a) All ISP's send an INvoice to the Party A for the installment of >> the filters. They have caused this work so they are liable for the >> cost. Its not our fault. >> >> b) all ISP's object in written to the decision of being in this case >> and oppose. >> >> or both. >> >> >> What are your oppinions? >> >> >> >> Andreas Fink >> >> Fink Consulting GmbH >> Global Networks Schweiz AG >> BebbiCell AG >> IceCell ehf >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Tel: +41-61-6666330 Fax: +41-61-6666331 Mobile: +41-79-2457333 >> Address: Clarastrasse 3, 4058 Basel, Switzerland >> E-Mail: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> www.finkconsulting.com >> <http://www.finkconsulting.com> www.global-networks.ch >> <http://www.global-networks.ch> www.bebbicell.ch >> <http://www.bebbicell.ch> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> ICQ: 8239353 MSN: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> AIM: smsrelay >> Skype: andreasfink >> Yahoo: finkconsulting SMS: +41792457333 >> >> http://a-fink.blogspot.com/ A developers view about iPhone SDK >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> swinog mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list [email protected] http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
