I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's
stepping totally over the fence.
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Basel, 16. Februar 2009
Dossier N° PE03.018380-YNT
Sehr geerte Damen und Herren,
Nehmen Sie zur Kentniss das ihr Schreiben von 11. Februar 2009 für uns
keinerlei Relevanz hat. Als Internet Provider sind wir nicht
verpflichtet die Verbindungen unserer Kunden ins Internet zu
Zensurieren. Des weiteren verfügen wir nicht über die technischen
Möglichkeiten dies zu tun und haben auch keine entsprechenden
Absichten dies je zu tun. Auch wurde uns das Recht auf Anhörung
verwehrt und jegliche Rekursmöglichkeit ausgeräumt was sicher nicht im
Sinne der Rechtssprechung ist.
Falls Sie trotzdem darauf beharren das wir diese Seiten sperren
sollen, weisen wir Sie darauf hin das dies nur unter dem Vorbehalt der
vollständigen Vorausbezahlung sämtlicher Kosten geschene würde. Wir
gehen davon aus das die Kosten für eine entsprechende Infrastruktur
sich in der Grössenordnung von mehreren hundert tausend Franken liegt.
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Andreas Fink
Geschäftsführer BebbiCell AG
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On 16.02.2009, at 16:18, Mike Kellenberger wrote:
What about making the site URL public so as many people as possible
can set up a mirror before the filter for original site is
installed? Just to show how the Web works and that site filters are
no good at all…
Besides, Google/Archive.org and others will have a copy as well…
Regards,
Mike
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http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork
Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] Im Auftrag von Andreas Fink
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:09
An: [email protected]
Betreff: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud
Hello Collegues,
Today I got a document sent to us because we are listed as ISP. You
probably have all received it as well.
Its a case of a Party A against "unknown" who has said something
wrong/bad about Party A. (Ehrverletzung/Verleumdung etc.)
While I can understand that Party A tries to get their right to get
things wrong written about them is being changed to correct, the
ISP's of Switzerland are now out of a sudden involved in this as
they are "in charge of blocking" the corresponding site.
Also what upset's me most is the sentence that this is the status of
a "Verfügung" from a "Untersuchungsrichter" and there is no legal
way to oppose ("gegen die vorliegende Verügung keine Rechtsmittel
möglich sind"). This might be true for the immediately accused as
they had their chance to answer but for us "other 3rd party" ISP's
it can not hold true as we have never heard of this case ever before
and we have not been involved in this case before.
I would suggest the ISP community of Switzerland stands up united
against such ridiculous practice of judges who have no clue how the
internet works:
I see two possible ways
a) All ISP's send an INvoice to the Party A for the installment of
the filters. They have caused this work so they are liable for the
cost. Its not our fault.
b) all ISP's object in written to the decision of being in this case
and oppose.
or both.
What are your oppinions?
Andreas Fink
Fink Consulting GmbH
Global Networks Schweiz AG
BebbiCell AG
IceCell ehf
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