Nice try? Are you talking of the Babelfish translation - Sigh ;-)) Tend to agree blocking a complete net block is not a very nice action for any ISP customer. But honestly, for a wide range of applications this is the way to go - even if it could be considered illegal (like SPAMming), too. Can't think of an obligation to accept mail from anyone as well!
You better make a low-cost helpdesk and a free 24*365 abuse desk available to your customers... Don't know anything about your IP range planning, but you better don't mix-up (free) dial-up IP ranges from your infrastructure, if you allow "free" Internet dial-up you better stopped it YESTERDAY. Why bother? Econophone's mail.econophone.com appears not listed on 250+ RBL lists... This is the system your dial-up customers should use - or be able to use(?) - for sending mail! -Kurt. PS. Looking forward: When do we start implementing RMX (Reverse Mail Exchange) records in DNS, following the IETF proposal? And then: Don't add entries on your complete IP net block, just the designated SMTP servers please... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter A. Preuss Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt because of Spam b locks Nice try, but even if there is no legal obligation, I think a provider has to take every measure to protect the community and if they don't do so they may have to expect some "unwanted reactions" Regards Pap Am 29.10.2003 17:52 Uhr schrieb "Zalaba, Mike" unter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > (English text below) > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren > > In letzte Zeit hat sich bei einigen Schweizer Providern die (Un)Sitte > eingeb�rgert, die GESAMMTEN IP-Ranges von anderen Providern zu > sperren, �ber welche ein "unerw�nschtes Werbemail (SPAM)" verschickt > wurde. > > Auch wir von Econophone wurden schon von Bluewin gesperrt und sind > immer noch bei Cabelcom gesperrt, weil jemand (Hegi/F�rst ?) �ber > unseren Internet-Dialup-Zugang "unerw�nschte Werbemail (SPAM)" > verschickt hat. > > Wir halten solche Massnahmen f�r �usserst zweifelhaft, werden doch so > tausende von "Normalen Mailern" - Private wie auch Gesch�fte - im > Emailverkehr behindert, nur damit mit notabene untauglichen Mitteln > ein SPAM NICHT zu verhindern. > > Auch wir haben uns gegen�ber von aktiven Anti-SPAM-Organisationen wie > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" oder "SIUG" commitet, gegen SPAMer > vorzugehen. Es bleibt abermals nachzumerken, dass es (noch) KEINE > gesetzliche Verpflichtung f�r Provider gibt, SPAM zu verhindern. Dank > einem Passus in unseren AGB k�nnen wir aber mit geeigneten Mitteln, > n�mlich mit dem Sperren von Einwahlnummern �ber welche ein SPAM > verschickt wurde, entgegenwirken. > > Das Sperren vom ganzen IP-Ranges f�r Mailverkehr halte ich dagegen f�r > total untauglich. Ich zweifle sogar daran, dass solche Massnahmen > rechtes sind. Auf jeden Fall stehen sie in einem krassen Gegensatz zum > Gedanken des "freien Internet", weil so etliche "unschuldige > Internet-User" gestraft werden. Und dies eventuell gleich mehrfach - > einmal durch ein eventuell erhaltenes SPAM, dann durch die Blockade > des sendens, wobei die meisten User aufgrund der Fehlermeldung nicht > einmal den Grund kennen und dann auf eine meist kostenpflichtige > Hotline anrufen m�ssen. > > ********************************************************************** > ****** > English (translatet by http://babelfish.altavista.com) > Ladies and Gentlemen > > In last time some Swiss Provider practice to close the entire IP Range > from other Provider over those was sanded "unwanted mail (Spam)". > > Also we of Econophone was already block from Bluewin and are still > block with Cabelcom, because somebody (Hegi/Fuerst?) over our InterNet > dial UP connection send "unwanted Werbemail (Spam)". We consider such > measures extremely doubtful, nevertheless in such a way thousands of > "normal ones Let us May-learn" - private ones like also business - in > email traffic obstructed not to only prevent thereby with notabene > unfit means a Spam. > > Also we have ourselves in relation to of active anti-Spam > organizations as "Spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]" or "SIUG" committed to > proceed against SPAMer. It remains after-noticing again that there > (still) is NO legal obligation for Provider to prevent Spam. Owing to > a passage into our AGB we know however with suitable means, i.e. with > the closing from a choice numbers over which a Spam were sent away, to > work against. > > A closing from whole IP rank for Mailverkehr consider I against it > totally unfit. I doubt even that such measures are right. In any case > ones stand it in a glaring contrast to the thought of the "free > InterNet", because so some "innocent InterNet user" are punished. And > this possibly equal several times > - once by a possibly received Spam, then by the blockade of sending, whereby > most user due to the error message and call then on a most liable to pay the > costs Hotline do not even have to know the reason. > **************************************************************************** > > Mit freundlichen Gruessen > yours sincerely > > Mike Zalaba > IT-Service Switzerland > Direct +41 1 455 81 35 > Mobil +41 79 420 22 88 > > Econophone AG > Weststrasse 117 > CH-8036 Z�rich > Main +41 1 455 81 11 > Fax +41 1 455 81 99 > >>> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2003 10:39 >>> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Betreff: [spam-ch] Mails an Sunrise >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> ich weiss, ist nicht das richtige Forum, aber ich komm sonst ja >>> nicht >>> durch: >>> >>>> telnet smtp.freesurf.ch 25 >>> Trying 194.230.0.8... >>> Connected to smtp.freesurf.ch. >>> Escape character is '^]'. >>> 554 freesurfmail.sunrise.ch Service not available - access denied >>> Connection to smtp.freesurf.ch closed by foreign host. >>> >>> K�nnt Ihr bitte gucken, dass unserer beider Kunden wieder >>> miteinander mailen k�nnen? >>> >>> Ah ja, kurz vor dem Verhalten kam noch folgender Fehler zur�ck: >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 28.10.2003 18:49 >>> The e-mail address could not be found. Perhaps the recipient moved >>> to a different e-mail organization, or there was a mistake in the >>> address. Check the address and try again. >>> >>> Gr�sse, >>> Alain >>> >>> -- >>> Alain Wyss mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Head of Messaging Services http://www.bluewin.ch/ >>> Bluewin AG / IT-CIA-MSG It's all there for you! >>> > ---------------------------------------------- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ > ---------------------------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ ---------------------------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
