Consider all of the statements below carefully when you submit some spit to or any other genealogy site. What happens to all those DNA test 
results in a database somewhere? Very nice of them to charge you a fee for 
collecting your DNA and researching your family history but who else has access 
to your DNA profile? How long do you think it will be before a decades old cold 
case is solved as a result of data "obtained" from one of these DNA databases.A 
friend of mine "limits" the amount and accuracy of any data he uses on social 
media sites. This helps keep the "creeps" away.CRAIG

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ed Cummings <>
To: Discussion list for the Winter SWL Fest <>
Subject: Re: [Swlfest] Data Breaches
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:25:29 -0400

Dan, thanks for facilitating an alternative to Facebook for the SWLfest group.  
Personally, I think choosing between the social networking platforms Facebook 
and Google+ is like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea (of data.)

 I never established a Facebook account because I never trusted its founder and 
CEO Mark Zuckerberg--who once wrote that people who entrusted their personal 
data to his social networking platform are "Dumb fucks."
 Seven years ago Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange (who I dislike personally) 
was interviewed by RT and quoted saying, "Facebook in particular is the most 
appalling spying machine that has ever been invented."  He said, "Here we have 
the world's most comprehensive database about people, their relationships, 
their names, their addresses, their locations and the communications with each 
other, their relatives, all sitting within the United States, all accessible to 
U.S. intelligence. Facebook, Google, Yahoo -- all these major U.S. 
organizations have built-in interfaces for U.S. intelligence. It's not a matter 
of serving a subpoena. They have an interface that they have developed for U.S. 
intelligence to use."
 Frankly, I don't trust Alphabet (Google+) much more, so I never established a 
Google+ account, either.  They have similar-data sharing arrangements with 
demonstrably untrustworthy entities, and market forces compel these 
corporations to exploit users' personal data because they have a legal mandate 
to maximize profits for shareholders.  People can choose to decline these 
corporations' onerous Terms of Service--which frequently change and aren't 
honored anyway.

 I prefer using this SWLfest mailing list and email to exchange info with my 
fellow SWLfesters.  It's much safer ;-)

 -Ed Cummings

 At 11:34 AM 3/21/2018, Daniel L. Srebnick wrote:

Some folks have resisted the use of Facebook because of security and
 privacy concerns.  Perhaps the Cambridge Analytica incident shows their

 As more folks have become uncomfortable about the use of Facebook, in
 light of the Cambridge Analytica story, I've created a shadow group for
 us over on Google +. Consider it an experiment to see if we can gain
 enough critical mass on an alternative platform... 

 Facebook and Google + address privacy a bit differently.  If you want
 to try it, here is the URL to join the group: 

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