I didn't mean to imply that i hoped/expected doctrine to be released
with symfony 1.1, unless symfony 1.1 was, say, 4 months away! lsmith's
characterization of doctrine is pretty accurate.

i've never heard any sort of timeframe for sf 1.1. it seems that UJS/PJS
are still alpha, and i havent seen anything on the greatly-anticipated
form/validation overhaul. not to put you on the spot, Fabien, but do you
have a rough goal in mind for the release of sf 1.1 if things go
according to plan?

and definitely +1 for matthias' idea, something that would be nice for
1.1 (very few changes need to be made, chtito did most of the work a
while ago). then symfony 1.1 could just be bundled with sfPropelPlugin
as the "official" ORM.

cheers,
-eric

Matthias N. wrote:
> On 16 Jul., 09:52, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Fabien POTENCIER wrote:
>>> As far as Doctrine is concerned, we won't be able to package it with
>>> symfony 1.1 because:
>>> - It requires php 5.2
>>> - It is under major refactoring as of now
>> I think symfony 1.1 should do PHP 5.1. symfony 1.2 should consider 5.2.
>> BTW: The goal is to have a stable doctrine release towards the end of
>> the summer. At this point doctrine will become much more feasible, but
>> will still not be as bug free as one would really hope. So targeting
>> doctrine's inclusion for symfony 1.2 seems like the most realistic
>> target for now.
> 
> IMHO Doctrine doesn't need to be bundled with symfony. But Propel
> should be completely _unbundled_ into a sfPropelPlugin like it is
> already the case with Doctrine. This would fit best to the concept of
> "independent from ORM / DBAL". Bundling both ORMs doesn't make sense.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias

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