+1 for twig as the default. It's just plain elegant, it encourages better practices, and yet you can choose to expose as much functionality as you need to via twig.
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Pablo Godel <pablo.go...@gmail.com> wrote: > Stefan brings a good point. I always disliked projects that used smarty for > example, I did not want to use something like smarty in any project I was > involved. I did not see any advantages and there was that extra overhead. > Now, this was in the past, before Twig existed. Twig does bring a bunch of > additional features and does not suffer from the performance hit, but the > notion that there is a templating engine, an extra syntax etc, can turn some > developers away. It has to be well documented that PHP can be used, but more > importantly it has to be highlighted the advantages of using Twig over PHP > as most have been described in this thread so it will help those "ignorant" > developers like I was/am :) > Pablo > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap > <stefan.koopmansc...@symfony-project.com> wrote: >> >> I think that Twig should be bundled and be the default, but that plain >> PHP templates should still be an option. >> >> I have a personal distaste for template engines and while Twig fixes >> most of the problems I have with template engines (like performance), >> I still dislike the syntax. However, in most projects, the syntax is >> not my problem since there will be other people (designers, frontend >> engineers) that handle the templates. >> >> However, for other projects where I am responsible for the frontend >> (like my own private projects) I would like to have the option to >> switch to plain PHP, which I like much more. >> >> As Jordi mentioned, defaulting to Twig will ensure that >> lesser-experienced developers will not be able (or at least have a >> much harder time) to "break" the MVC concepts. And I think this alone >> would be a good reason to switch to Twig as the default. >> >> But again, the option to switch to plain PHP (or another template >> engine, for those that want/need another template engine) should still >> exist for the more advanced users. >> >> Stefan >> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Keri Henare >> <keri.mailingli...@henare.co.nz> wrote: >> > I think that Twig should be bundled but not default. PHP should stay the >> > default for templates. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Keri Henare >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > Chief Technical Officer >> > Pixel Fusion >> > >> > [e] k...@pixelfusion.co.nz >> > [w] pixelfusion.co.nz >> > [m] (+64) 021 874 552 >> > [p] (+64) 09 550 3084 >> > >> > Zend Certified Engineer - >> > http://www.zend.com/en/yellow-pages#show-ClientCandidateID=ZEND013450 >> > >> > PLEASE NOTE: I check my email 3 times per day and will respond at these >> > intervals. For anything urgent please ring me. >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > On 22/09/2010, at 8:07 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On 22.09.2010, at 09:39, Jordi Boggiano wrote: >> >> >> >>> And for PHP developers, as I already said learning Twig is really not >> >>> much work imo, took me about 10minutes to get everything up and >> >>> running >> >>> when I switched my Sf2 project to Twig. >> >> >> >> just in case people arent aware, there is already quite a bit of >> >> documentation for twig: >> >> http://www.twig-project.org/ >> >> >> >> please spend 10 minutes to look at the site before making a decision >> >> pro or con .. >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> Lukas Kahwe Smith >> >> m...@pooteeweet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it >> >> to security at symfony-project.com >> >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "symfony developers" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to symfony-devs@googlegroups.com >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> symfony-devs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en >> > >> > -- >> > If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it >> > to security at symfony-project.com >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "symfony developers" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to symfony-devs@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > symfony-devs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Stefan Koopmanschap >> Symfony Community Manager >> stefan.koopmansc...@symfony-project.com >> >> -- >> If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to >> security at symfony-project.com >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "symfony developers" group. >> To post to this group, send email to symfony-devs@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> symfony-devs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en > > -- > If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to > security at symfony-project.com > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "symfony developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to symfony-devs@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > symfony-devs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en > -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony developers" group. 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