On Sep 18, 3:36 pm, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 18.09.2009, at 21:27, bghost wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think that the attempt of putting the entire WEB form within the
> > class
> > only unnecessarily complicate such a simple thing such is form
> > handling.
> > That's just forcing WEB developers to learn how to make simple things
> > on the complicated way.
>
> i think this is a valid criticism. there is a clear shift away from
> having just some html/css/js guru do the templates back in symfony 1.0
> towards requiring a symfony expert to also handle the templates, but
> that person lacks the html/css/js guru knowhow. the pay off is however
> that a symfony expert can now do a lot more if he just sits down with
> the html/css/js guru to create the required widgets in pair
> programming. the quality of the site should also increase since reuse
> is done more on the widget side of things but more importantly you
> start to bring everything data related together in the models, so you
> have a single definitive source.
>
> so what does it all mean? teach your symfony experts some more html/
> css/js, teach your html/css/js guru some symfony .. or better yet ..
> facilitate paired programming .. and you should be off producing high
> quality more maintainable sites in less time .. but the old workflow
> of clear work separation isnt going to cut it anymore. then again, you
> can still keep the spirit of 1.0 in 1.2 i guess ..
You can still get the 1.0 spirit, though paired programming is not the
way to do it. And yes, for some projects, it is very important that
the designers have access to all of the HTML, including that in the
forms. Some design lead projects suffer badly from the default forms
setup in Symfony 1.2.
What's needed is a plugin that can auto-generate the CRUD forms in
nearly pure HTML, with PHP commands only handling the values that
appear in the inputs. That way, depending on the project, you could
either work with the default forms generated by Symfony, or switch
over to a system that is much more open for designers.
If I get some time later this year, I hope to work on such a plugin.
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