On 18.09.2009, at 21:27, bghost wrote:

>
> I think that the attempt of putting the entire WEB form within the
> class
> only unnecessarily complicate such a simple thing such is form
> handling.
> That's just forcing WEB developers to learn how to make simple things
> on the complicated way.


i think this is a valid criticism. there is a clear shift away from  
having just some html/css/js guru do the templates back in symfony 1.0  
towards requiring a symfony expert to also handle the templates, but  
that person lacks the html/css/js guru knowhow. the pay off is however  
that a symfony expert can now do a lot more if he just sits down with  
the html/css/js guru to create the required widgets in pair  
programming. the quality of the site should also increase since reuse  
is done more on the widget side of things but more importantly you  
start to bring everything data related together in the models, so you  
have a single definitive source.

so what does it all mean? teach your symfony experts some more html/ 
css/js, teach your html/css/js guru some symfony .. or better yet ..  
facilitate paired programming .. and you should be off producing high  
quality more maintainable sites in less time .. but the old workflow  
of clear work separation isnt going to cut it anymore. then again, you  
can still keep the spirit of 1.0 in 1.2 i guess ..

regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
[email protected]




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