XD On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:28 AM, dziobacz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would like to say that Symfony is very, very good and future > framework. Thx Symfony I could learn very fast ASP.NET MVC (not > ASP.NET but ASP.NET MVC) - these two frameworks have got many similar > things. > While Zend Framework is far, far away Symfony and ASP.NET MVS. In Zend > you must almost everything creat by yourself !! For example you must > modify Bootstrap file and write there strange code to enable > layout !!! Symfony is the best !! :) > > > On 21 Wrz, 10:58, CaffeineInc <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think symfony is brilliant, If you need a framework which can scale >> to enterprise level websites with fast prototyping and a flexible ORM, >> then you don't need anything else. If you think it's complicated, then >> maybe you're in the wrong place. >> >> If you want to build a small website with everything pre-configured, >> I'd probably stick with something like SilverStripe. >> >> P.s slagging off the framework in 2-3 lines is not very constructive >> for the users forum. >> >> On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: >> >> > Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework >> > works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework >> > should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. >> > So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. >> >> > WBR, >> > Ghost3D >> >> > On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need >> > > documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is >> > > talking >> > > about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready >> > > in >> > > 12 minutes..." >> >> > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > > > Symfony has many components, each of them are : >> >> > > > - easy to understand >> > > > - easy to configure >> > > > - very well documented >> >> > > > Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components >> > > > play >> > > > together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration >> > > > will be >> > > > fine for many projects. >> >> > > > You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to >> > > > implement >> > > > a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you >> > > > need. >> > > > Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to >> > > > navigate >> > > > across the code and understand it. >> >> > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> Hi Fabien, >> >> > > >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >> > > >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >> > > >> developer >> > > >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >> > > >> ORM >> > > >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >> > > >> Symfony. >> >> > > >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >> > > >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >> >> > > >> WBR, >> > > >> Ghost3D >> >> > > >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >> > > >> project.com> wrote: >> > > >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was >> > > >> > not >> > > >> > before. >> >> > > >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That >> > > >> > will >> > > >> > help us improve the framework. >> >> > > >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, >> > > >> > we >> > > >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >> >> > > >> > Thanks, >> > > >> > Fabien >> >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > Fabien Potencier >> > > >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >> > > >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >> > > >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >> >> > > >> > bghost wrote: >> >> > > >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >> > > >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I >> > > >> > > think >> > > >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >> > > >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >> > > >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that >> > > >> > > the >> > > >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >> > > >> > > than with the real problem. >> >> > > >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >> >> > > >> > > WBR, >> > > >> > > Ghost3D >> >> > > >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively >> > > >> > >>> simple >> > > >> > >>> application. >> > > >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find >> > > >> > >> it >> > > >> too >> > > >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >> >> > > >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we >> > > >> > >> find >> > > >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. >> >> > > >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to >> > > >> > >> build? >> >> > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <[email protected]> >> > > >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively >> > > >> > >>> simple >> > > >> > >>> application. >> > > >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very >> > > >> > >>> questionable. >> > > >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >> > > >> > >> -- >> > > >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >> >> > > > -- >> > > > Thomas Rabaix >> > > >http://rabaix.net >> >> > > -- >> > > Sidney G B Ferreira >> > > Desenvolvedor Web > > >
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