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Is Joomla a Framework? For me, it isn't.... Juampy72 escribió: > I think it's all about coding or not. Symfony not only helps you > developing faster but also teaches you a lot of clean, beautiful > programming. If you do not find this learning curve enriching, then I > suggest you better go for other framework such as Joomla where > everything is more visual and you do not need to see much code. > > Is anybody with me? > > On Sep 18, 12:09 pm, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >> No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: >> >> Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework >> works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework >> should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. >> So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. >> >> WBR, >> Ghost3D >> >> On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need >>> documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is talking >>> about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready in >>> 12 minutes..." >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> Symfony has many components, each of them are : >>>> - easy to understand >>>> - easy to configure >>>> - very well documented >>>> Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components play >>>> together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration will be >>>> fine for many projects. >>>> You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to implement >>>> a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you need. >>>> Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to navigate >>>> across the code and understand it. >>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Fabien, >>>>> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >>>>> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >>>>> developer >>>>> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >>>>> ORM >>>>> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >>>>> Symfony. >>>>> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >>>>> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >>>>> WBR, >>>>> Ghost3D >>>>> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >>>>> project.com> wrote: >>>>>> You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not >>>>>> before. >>>>>> Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That will >>>>>> help us improve the framework. >>>>>> For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we >>>>>> removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Fabien >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fabien Potencier >>>>>> Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >>>>>> sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >>>>>> Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >>>>>> bghost wrote: >>>>>>> First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >>>>>>> because I follow its development from the first version. But I think >>>>>>> it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >>>>>>> with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >>>>>>> files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the >>>>>>> programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >>>>>>> than with the real problem. >>>>>>> P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >>>>>>> WBR, >>>>>>> Ghost3D >>>>>>> On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >>>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it >>>>> too >>>>>>>> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >>>>>>>> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find >>>>>>>> great leverage in using Symfony. >>>>>>>> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to build? >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >>>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. >>>>>>>>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >>>> -- >>>> Thomas Rabaix >>>> http://rabaix.net >>> -- >>> Sidney G B Ferreira >>> Desenvolvedor Web >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKtUe+AAoJEFlRSentq+j0fOEH/083osyNfs7NfO0nEYmnON46 1KxKUK+Q/Ht/yA9OyC20IKMPC+B5SiqPDJv6jfGZwpO6kHO6yGQ0ruOX51AHyXsZ SRhvHA3DHKw5DgGFPK9q9PZ6O7NnDTgWgA35+mxc3sbBsQSA/VDflWsPHFe2UjmJ 0rCpuoZIsm1Ccf49zDmk2iCbWS5QZg+V1NWeAwVDIddLlEvDRRkdqTINNgsQXtb5 yrYzr7H3G6dSY73IH8r6cDZyV03WfHd7TqrrqU/lwsEmGwVYKcJlTYp9JFbrov39 xPULBq0koOIW27HbCHJ73CMkPlf5AFT6IsrMz2DNwjIWasiopox8dEoMaUYgEKo= =1lNi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. 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