Ok, I think we get the point. No need to be rude. Please, go away, use whatever framework you want, and stop writing nonsense emails.
Thanks, Fabien -- Fabien Potencier Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 bghost wrote: > As I said at the beginning: > > Symfony has become too complicated. Also, Symfony folder structure > has become too complicated. Definitely, the learning of principles on > which Symfony working is painful and unprofitable. If you really want > to > see, which means fast, easy and effective PHP framework, then take a > look on the following link: > > http://www.yiiframework.com/ > > WBR, > Ghost3D > > On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: >> XD >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:28 AM, dziobacz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would like to say that Symfony is very, very good and future >>> framework. Thx Symfony I could learn very fast ASP.NET MVC (not >>> ASP.NET but ASP.NET MVC) - these two frameworks have got many similar >>> things. >>> While Zend Framework is far, far away Symfony and ASP.NET MVS. In Zend >>> you must almost everything creat by yourself !! For example you must >>> modify Bootstrap file and write there strange code to enable >>> layout !!! Symfony is the best !! :) >>> On 21 Wrz, 10:58, CaffeineInc <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I think symfony is brilliant, If you need a framework which can scale >>>> to enterprise level websites with fast prototyping and a flexible ORM, >>>> then you don't need anything else. If you think it's complicated, then >>>> maybe you're in the wrong place. >>>> If you want to build a small website with everything pre-configured, >>>> I'd probably stick with something like SilverStripe. >>>> P.s slagging off the framework in 2-3 lines is not very constructive >>>> for the users forum. >>>> On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: >>>>> Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework >>>>> works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework >>>>> should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. >>>>> So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. >>>>> WBR, >>>>> Ghost3D >>>>> On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need >>>>>> documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is >>>>>> talking >>>>>> about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready >>>>>> in >>>>>> 12 minutes..." >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> Symfony has many components, each of them are : >>>>>>> - easy to understand >>>>>>> - easy to configure >>>>>>> - very well documented >>>>>>> Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components play >>>>>>> together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration >>>>>>> will be >>>>>>> fine for many projects. >>>>>>> You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to >>>>>>> implement >>>>>>> a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to >>>>>>> navigate >>>>>>> across the code and understand it. >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Fabien, >>>>>>>> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >>>>>>>> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >>>>>>>> developer >>>>>>>> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >>>>>>>> ORM >>>>>>>> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >>>>>>>> Symfony. >>>>>>>> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >>>>>>>> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >>>>>>>> WBR, >>>>>>>> Ghost3D >>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >>>>>>>> project.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not >>>>>>>>> before. >>>>>>>>> Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> help us improve the framework. >>>>>>>>> For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we >>>>>>>>> removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Fabien >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Fabien Potencier >>>>>>>>> Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >>>>>>>>> sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >>>>>>>>> Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >>>>>>>>> bghost wrote: >>>>>>>>>> First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >>>>>>>>>> because I follow its development from the first version. But I think >>>>>>>>>> it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >>>>>>>>>> files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the >>>>>>>>>> programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >>>>>>>>>> than with the real problem. >>>>>>>>>> P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >>>>>>>>>> WBR, >>>>>>>>>> Ghost3D >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >>>>>>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>>>>> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >>>>>>>>>>> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find >>>>>>>>>>> great leverage in using Symfony. >>>>>>>>>>> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to build? >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >>>>>>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>>>>>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. >>>>>>>>>>>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thomas Rabaix >>>>>>> http://rabaix.net >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sidney G B Ferreira >>>>>> Desenvolvedor Web >> -- >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. 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