And? Where you saw any recommendation to use <th> tags outside
<thead> ??
I never said that any developer is stupid here. But now I have changed
my opinion
under the pressure of your arguments.

Anyway, finally I would say this:

Most of you are calling for some alleged benefits that are hidden
behind terms
like "re-usable, re-factoring" or "developer can concentrate on
business logic" ... bla ... bla .. bla

1st

What does it mean to do something re-usable? Do you really need to
spend
too much time on that if it will eventually be used once or just a few
times?
I heard many times: "Yes, make it re-usable...yes, yes,
yes..ooooh....make it
re-usable!" even if that is justified or not.

2nd

What is the limit? How deep a developer should go with the "re-
factoring"?
Is it necessary to split templates into numerous small fragments and
thus make
them an extremely confusing and difficult to track? I heard many
times: "Yes,
re-factore it ...yes, yes, yes..ooooh....re-factore it!" even if that
is justified or not.

3rd

Most of you said that Symfony Framework enables developers to
concentrate
on business logic? Yes, that's OK. I just wanted to warn that in these
efforts,
Symfony developers are exaggerating a bit, which resulted with the
intricate
logic of the Symfony framework that hides the flow of the application
to the level
where it is very difficult to understand and monitor the application.

This is my last post here.

WBR,
Ghost3D


On Sep 25, 2:52 am, Jeremy Thomerson <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I've avoided responding on this thread to this point because your rude
> foul-mouthed criticism is ridiculously ignorant and malicious.  But, since
> you once again call all developers here stupid, please be quickly proven
> wrong by reading the "INTRODUCTION TO TABLES" by the W3C.  If you don't know
> who the W3C is, please try to do a little research.
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#h-11.1
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:27 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ok Eno,
>
> > I visited that link and I did not thrilled because I found something
> > wrong again:
>
> > <form action="/frontend_dev.php/contact/submit" method="POST">
> >  <table>
>
> >    <!-- Beginning of generated code by <?php echo $form ?>
> >  -->
> >    <tr>
> >      <th><label for="name">Name</label></th>
> >      <td><input type="text" name="name" id="name" /></td>
> >    </tr>
> >    <tr>
> >      <th><label for="email">Email</label></th>
> >      <td><input type="text" name="email" id="email" /></td>
> >    </tr>
> >    <tr>
> >      <th><label for="message">Message</label></th>
> >      <td><textarea rows="4" cols="30" name="message" id="message"></
> > textarea></td>
> >    </tr>
> >    <!-- End of generated code by <?php echo $form ?>
> >  -->
>
> >    <tr>
> >      <td colspan="2">
> >        <input type="submit" />
> >      </td>
> >    </tr>
> >  </table>
> > </form>
>
> > So, what is the problem here:
>
> > <th> tag within the HTML table should never be used
> > outside <thead> </thead>, because each web browser
> > could interpreted this in different ways! Now I understand
> > better why most of you loves the Symfony Form
> > framework - most obviously does not even basic
> > knowledge of the HTML.
>
> > WBR,
> > Ghost3D
>
> > On Sep 25, 12:11 am, Eno <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
> > > > This is bad formatted HTML - where is <table> tag? Using <tr>, <th>
> > > > and <td> without table - terrible !
>
> > > As the example in the docs show, *you* must supply that:
>
> > >http://www.symfony-project.org/forms/1_2/en/01-Form-Creation#chapter_...
>
> > > --
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