Set compat_10 : true in settings.yml and you're all good
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> The helpers are still there. Just not included by default. I think you
> need to <?php use_helper('Form'); ?> or include it other way.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Actually I do like and use a lot of forms.
> > Im just looking as a new commer.
> > It isn't cause (framework name here) does something that everyone must to
> > do.
> > Maybe let the forms helper there, unused, as a way to new users learn
> before
> > really get into symfony.
> > Making it easyer.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:16, [email protected]
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sid Ferreira, and everyone complaining about the new forms, you don't
> >> have to use them for simple things!
> >> Just post your raw html form to an action, handle it with
> >> getPostParameter() and do something with it.
> >>
> >> It is NOT TRUE that you have to learn a lot of stuff just to do simple
> >> things.
> >>
> >> I don't use sfGuard, i don't use the generator, i don't use object
> >> routing. I had the choice to learn and use them, or to do it my way.
> >> And that's what i like about symfony.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25 Sep., 11:39, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > I was thinking about this, while making a sf1.0 project... and indeed
> >> > dispite of how good the new things in 1.2, it really got really
> >> > complex.In
> >> > some ways, to a new commer, use symfony isn't a good idea he doesn't
> >> > need
> >> > only to use MVC and ORM anymore, he needs to learn (and almost master)
> >> > the
> >> > symfony forms to the very first project.
> >> >
> >> > I mean, it's insane in this point of view that sf can't make it easyer
> >> > to
> >> > build a login form (let's ignore the plugin)... Almost against the
> >> > 'KISS'
> >> > principle.
> >> >
> >> > I think symfony is an expert weapon, but it is almost 'no newbies
> >> > allowed'...
> >> >
> >> > ps: I hope I made my self clear about it.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 04:20, Alexandru-Emil Lupu
> >> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Gareth, i might even say old php 3.. in php4 there were any oop
> >> > > layering in
> >> > > progress ..
> >> >
> >> > > Fabien, if i remember right (haven't work to much with Rails)
> symfony
> >> > > folder structure is much alike with Ruby on Rails. By the way.
> Please
> >> > > close
> >> > > this non sense thread.
> >> >
> >> > > Alecs
> >> >
> >> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Gareth McCumskey
> >> > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> We recently hired a junior PHP developer, fresh out of college,
> >> > >> getting
> >> > >> his first taste of using PHP AND symfony in a production
> environment.
> >> > >> We
> >> > >> pretty much had to throw him in the deep end with using symfony and
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> associated documentation and give him work to do.
> >> >
> >> > >> Guess what? Because of symfony's abstracted nature and the ability
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> developers to focus on business logic, he is resolving bugs and
> >> > >> adding new
> >> > >> features all the time. The only time he stops to ask my help with
> >> > >> anything
> >> > >> is when it has to do with our OWN code implemented in symfony and
> NOT
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> framework itself. To me , thats evidence enough that the framework
> >> > >> and its
> >> > >> structure is not difficult to learn and get into for a new user who
> >> > >> is
> >> > >> willing to take the time and learn it.
> >> >
> >> > >> If we had built our application without symfony we would still be
> >> > >> very far
> >> > >> away from a releasable product costing the company more and more
> >> > >> money.
> >> >
> >> > >> All of your responses show someone who is stuck in the old PHP4
> >> > >> procedural
> >> > >> line of thinking where its create functionality line by line and
> you
> >> > >> are
> >> > >> apparently not willing to invest the relaistically small amount of
> >> > >> time
> >> > >> required to use symfony.
> >> >
> >> > >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:34 AM, bghost <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>> And? Where you saw any recommendation to use <th> tags outside
> >> > >>> <thead> ??
> >> > >>> I never said that any developer is stupid here. But now I have
> >> > >>> changed
> >> > >>> my opinion
> >> > >>> under the pressure of your arguments.
> >> >
> >> > >>> Anyway, finally I would say this:
> >> >
> >> > >>> Most of you are calling for some alleged benefits that are hidden
> >> > >>> behind terms
> >> > >>> like "re-usable, re-factoring" or "developer can concentrate on
> >> > >>> business logic" ... bla ... bla .. bla
> >> >
> >> > >>> 1st
> >> >
> >> > >>> What does it mean to do something re-usable? Do you really need to
> >> > >>> spend
> >> > >>> too much time on that if it will eventually be used once or just a
> >> > >>> few
> >> > >>> times?
> >> > >>> I heard many times: "Yes, make it re-usable...yes, yes,
> >> > >>> yes..ooooh....make it
> >> > >>> re-usable!" even if that is justified or not.
> >> >
> >> > >>> 2nd
> >> >
> >> > >>> What is the limit? How deep a developer should go with the "re-
> >> > >>> factoring"?
> >> > >>> Is it necessary to split templates into numerous small fragments
> and
> >> > >>> thus make
> >> > >>> them an extremely confusing and difficult to track? I heard many
> >> > >>> times: "Yes,
> >> > >>> re-factore it ...yes, yes, yes..ooooh....re-factore it!" even if
> >> > >>> that
> >> > >>> is justified or not.
> >> >
> >> > >>> 3rd
> >> >
> >> > >>> Most of you said that Symfony Framework enables developers to
> >> > >>> concentrate
> >> > >>> on business logic? Yes, that's OK. I just wanted to warn that in
> >> > >>> these
> >> > >>> efforts,
> >> > >>> Symfony developers are exaggerating a bit, which resulted with the
> >> > >>> intricate
> >> > >>> logic of the Symfony framework that hides the flow of the
> >> > >>> application
> >> > >>> to the level
> >> > >>> where it is very difficult to understand and monitor the
> >> > >>> application.
> >> >
> >> > >>> This is my last post here.
> >> >
> >> > >>> WBR,
> >> > >>> Ghost3D
> >> >
> >> > >>> On Sep 25, 2:52 am, Jeremy Thomerson <[email protected]>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> > I've avoided responding on this thread to this point because
> your
> >> > >>> > rude
> >> > >>> > foul-mouthed criticism is ridiculously ignorant and malicious.
> >> > >>> > But,
> >> > >>> since
> >> > >>> > you once again call all developers here stupid, please be
> quickly
> >> > >>> proven
> >> > >>> > wrong by reading the "INTRODUCTION TO TABLES" by the W3C. If
> you
> >> > >>> > don't
> >> > >>> know
> >> > >>> > who the W3C is, please try to do a little research.
> >> >
> >> > >>> >http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#h-11.1
> >> >
> >> > >>> > Jeremy
> >> >
> >> > >>> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:27 PM, bghost <[email protected]>
> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > Ok Eno,
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > I visited that link and I did not thrilled because I found
> >> > >>> > > something
> >> > >>> > > wrong again:
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > <form action="/frontend_dev.php/contact/submit" method="POST">
> >> > >>> > > <table>
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > <!-- Beginning of generated code by <?php echo $form ?>
> >> > >>> > > -->
> >> > >>> > > <tr>
> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="name">Name</label></th>
> >> > >>> > > <td><input type="text" name="name" id="name" /></td>
> >> > >>> > > </tr>
> >> > >>> > > <tr>
> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="email">Email</label></th>
> >> > >>> > > <td><input type="text" name="email" id="email" /></td>
> >> > >>> > > </tr>
> >> > >>> > > <tr>
> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="message">Message</label></th>
> >> > >>> > > <td><textarea rows="4" cols="30" name="message"
> >> > >>> > > id="message"></
> >> > >>> > > textarea></td>
> >> > >>> > > </tr>
> >> > >>> > > <!-- End of generated code by <?php echo $form ?>
> >> > >>> > > -->
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > <tr>
> >> > >>> > > <td colspan="2">
> >> > >>> > > <input type="submit" />
> >> > >>> > > </td>
> >> > >>> > > </tr>
> >> > >>> > > </table>
> >> > >>> > > </form>
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > So, what is the problem here:
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > <th> tag within the HTML table should never be used
> >> > >>> > > outside <thead> </thead>, because each web browser
> >> > >>> > > could interpreted this in different ways! Now I understand
> >> > >>> > > better why most of you loves the Symfony Form
> >> > >>> > > framework - most obviously does not even basic
> >> > >>> > > knowledge of the HTML.
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > WBR,
> >> > >>> > > Ghost3D
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > On Sep 25, 12:11 am, Eno <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > >>> > > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
> >> > >>> > > > > This is bad formatted HTML - where is <table> tag? Using
> >> > >>> > > > > <tr>,
> >> > >>> <th>
> >> > >>> > > > > and <td> without table - terrible !
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > > As the example in the docs show, *you* must supply that:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >>> >>>
> http://www.symfony-project.org/forms/1_2/en/01-Form-Creation#chapter_...
> >> >
> >> > >>> > > > --
> >> >
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Gareth McCumskey
> >> > >>http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com
> >> > >> twitter: @garethmcc
> >> >
> >> > > --
> >> > > As programmers create bigger & better idiot proof programs, so the
> >> > > universe
> >> > > creates bigger & better idiots!
> >> > > I am on web: http://www.alecslupu.ro/
> >> > > I am on twitter:http://twitter.com/alecslupu
> >> > > I am on linkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/alecslupu
> >> > > Tel: (+4)0748.543.798
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sidney G B Ferreira
> >> > Desenvolvedor Web
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sidney G B Ferreira
> > Desenvolvedor Web
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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