On Do, 2011-07-21 at 13:46 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 13:32 +0200, Patrick Ohly wrote: > > On Do, 2011-07-21 at 11:10 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > I suggest some simple structural changes to the website, to make things > > > clearer: > > > > > > 1. Remove the wiki link. > > > > > > We should just accept that the website _is_ a wiki. That "main page" > > > page has become a target of random user feedback. That's not the best > > > place for it. > > > > > > Partly because of the text sizes and layout, the comments look like main > > > (rather random) content at first glance. > > > > I agree that this is problematic. But technically there is a difference > > between the rest of the web site and the Wiki part: normal users may > > only edit the Wiki pages. > > > > Are you suggesting that all pages should be editable by anyone? > > Actually, yes, though I'd lock the front page. It needs you to be > careful about only allowing edits when logged in and having some bot > protection for new user creation. But that's probably a problem that you > already have with the wiki pages. > > If you want only a sub-section of the site to be user-editable then the > distinction needs to be clearer. Personally, I think it leads to > fragmentated content instead of improved content.
I agree. The Wiki feature was added later, we never got around to integrating it properly. I don't mind granting more people the right to edit pages. Spam has been a problem only in the comments, not in Wiki pages themselves. But I guess that's just a matter of time :-/ > > > 3. Add a real Downloads page. > > > This is currently just a directory listing. There should be some brief > > > text and a description of each binary and how to install it. > > > > What kind of text and description would you expect for, e.g., > > http://downloads.syncevolution.org/syncevolution/evolution/syncevolution-evolution-1.1.99.5b-2.x86_64.rpm > > ? > > I'd link to http://downloads.syncevolution.org/syncevolution/evolution/ > and describe it without referring to any particular version. So in other words, a page which wraps downloads.syncevolution.org and lists the currently relevant files? > > > 2. Remove comments. > > > The comments don't seem like the best way to deal with feedback, and > > > they distract from the main contact. Even in the best case, old comments > > > will still be there after their feedback has been dealt with by > > > improvements in the page itself, distracting from that content and > > > giving the initial impression that those problems still exist. > > > > Just to be sure, you suggest to remove obsolete comments, not the > > comment feature itself, right? > > I'm suggesting removing comments, though you are the best judge of how > it has been used so far. Laissez-faire and preserving everything except for spam comments. > At the very least, I would change the text layout so that comments are > clearly separate. Yes, agreed. > > Would it make sense to move comments to an "archive" or "discussion" > > page? > > Yes, restricting comments to a single discussion page would be an > improvement. But I really doubt that it's a good way to handle feedback. Indeed, it should only be used for comments which are obviously not referring to the current page or became obsolete. > > Many users left comments randomly anyway, without directly > > referring to the current page. > > Yes, which makes things seem neglected. Which is the case to some extend. I could use help on an on-going basis for keeping the web site in good order. I know from past experience that I will not always have the time to do this myself. -- Best Regards, Patrick Ohly The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak on behalf of Intel on this matter. _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list [email protected] http://lists.syncevolution.org/listinfo/syncevolution
