I'll post the whole thread in synfig-devl so we can continue sending any
response to it.
El 24 de febrero de 2012 08:29, David Rylander
<[email protected]>escribió:
> **
> Carlos, absolutely, should be a devl-list thread. How do we move it all
> there without having a mess?
>
> For an easy overview of what is needed of the project and who's doing
> what, how about a list in the developer documentation called "Synfig tasks"
> or something similar where we specify all this and where help can bee
> needed etc.? We can then point interested people to this and they can
> quickly get an overview what they can do. Does such a list already exist?
>
No, it doesn't exists yet. It needs a real instrospection first to be
realistically done. I propose to start it in an individual way, using this
thread with the current done tasks (and the implication level) for each
individual.
I'm Genete and I do:
1) Coding: 100% involved.
2) Forum support: 100% involved.
3) Wiki maintain: 10% involved.
4) Social network spreading: 50% involved.
5) Infrastructure support: 5% involved.
Then once listed, lets define the weaks and goods of our team.
> Can be divided in areas like infrastructure, forum, wiki, coding etc.
>
> I posted a suggestion on the devl-list yesterday to maybe try to get
> Software Freedom Conservatory to take on Synfig. Wouldnt that lift some
> burden?
>
> I know I haven't been very involved in Synfig maintenance, I've had more
> opinions than contributions, but I'll try to step up and do some more.
> Alas, my time is limited (as yours is also).
>
> -David
>
>
> 2012-02-24 08:01, Carlos López González skrev:
>
> So I enter to chat on this issue...
> I think that the main issue with the development of a open project is that
> when resources are limited, the open tasks cannot be too much. So we have
> to:
> 1) Concentrate on a definitive task all together
> or
> 2) Dedicate to only one task per person
>
> Jumping from one task to other task with no completion is not one good
> idea IMHO.
> The first option (for example dedicate all the people six months on
> documentation and training material only) could be performed but to have
> success it has to be done on a high level with all people implication and
> with good knowledge.
> The second option is other possible choose when resources are limited. It
> allows to maintain the project alive but doesn't premit to make it grow
> rapidly, just keep alive. That's the way we are now.
> *What we need is more implicated people with a long term commintment.*
> That would allow to start creating small teams (for each task) with the
> benefits of the group synergy.
> Here I have to be sincere. We are oveloaded. Specially Zelgadis. His
> efforts to maintain the infrastructure has been (and are) insane. Lately I
> tend to concentrate more and only on coding because I believe more on the
> second option than the first. Many times Zelgadis and I felt alone
> completely in the project administration and that's not good. I think we
> need more people involved in the administrative tasks with the implications
> it has (passwords, regular review of resources, backups, updates, donations
> handling). But involve people on that matters has to be voluntary. Maybe
> our failure is to not let the world to know that we are open to include
> anyone on the administration role.
>
> Said this, my first concern would be to try to atract more implicated
> people to the team, leting him to join on roles vacancies we could have.
> Let's define the roles to allow people know what is needed!
>
> Meanwhile we only can continue keeping Synfig alive with the individual
> work on our areas the best that we can.
>
> Ricardo and David, if you feel that you can have a role on any of the
> areas please stand up! We cannot obligate to anyone and should embrace any
> proposal!
>
> My forum signature says it all :)
>
> Greetings.
>
> PS: shouldn't this thread be public at synfig-devl?
>
> El 23 de febrero de 2012 15:39, Ricolandia.com <[email protected]>escribió:
>
>> Ok, no problem. I understand. I agree with you and David.
>> About muncahusen, it's a good way to go on.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/23 Zelgadis <[email protected]>
>>
>>> I'm sorry about my previous letter - just a bit overreacted.
>>> I don't want to kill any initiative with my rants.
>>> All I want to say - if we want to improve situation we should go with
>>> improving what we already have instead of increasing of quantity of
>>> services/projects. That's it - work on quality of existing projects
>>> instead of quantity.
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> BTW, if you want "easy-to-participate: open movie, then there is
>>> https://munchausenproject.wordpress.com/
>>> Yes, this is work by kids, but you can treat it as draft animation and
>>> work on detalization/effects. Who stops you to trace all artwork into
>>> vector and deliver new quality to this animation?
>>> And we have English voicing coming soon...
>>> There's so much work - just start thinking! ^__^
>>> K.
>>>
>>> 2012/2/23 Zelgadis <[email protected]>:
>>> > 2012/2/23 Ricolandia.com <[email protected]>:
>>> >> Hi folks,
>>> >> I was reading some posts in the forum and noticed that the clalenges
>>> are low
>>> >> visited and contributed. I am one that never posted in other
>>> challenges and
>>> >> I appologize about this. Sorry!
>>> >>
>>> >> But I think that people see synfig as an experimental tool. Here in
>>> Brasil,
>>> >> for example, I am teaching two animators on how to use synfig. They
>>> are
>>> >> toonboon, flash and animestudio users. They have some dificulties
>>> and they
>>> >> say that some documentation is missing. So I would like to propose
>>> you a
>>> >> plan for promoting synfig tool.
>>> >>
>>> >> Based on these complaints ( from brazilian animators ), I think that
>>> we need
>>> >> some pro actions to promote the tool. I can do something, but I would
>>> like
>>> >> to talk to you first. Here are some ideas:
>>> >>
>>> >> - Create a pdf documentation ( the forum is good ) but people want
>>> something
>>> >> more organized by topics and with examples. I think we can dig the
>>> forum to
>>> >> catch those files and texts
>>> >> - A channel with video tutorials in high definition
>>> >> - A DVD ( like Blender does ) with these hd tutorials, and obtain
>>> some funds
>>> >> to synfig development
>>> >> - A DVD Training tutorials with files and sell it online
>>> >> - Promote the DVDs and the software with a large campaign in forums,
>>> >> communityes, and so on...
>>> >> - Promote an open short movie ( like Morevna ) , but little short one
>>> >> - And then ... I think we are going to atract more users
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that we can explain how to solve some synfig problems, as the
>>> >> lipsync tool, audio sinc and edition. I mean, we need to explain how
>>> to
>>> >> produce a whole animation with a suite of tools to make it useful to
>>> >> everyone. People, these are just ideas... brainstorming, based on some
>>> >> animators questions and frustrations.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am here to help it happen. I use synfig 100% and I believe it, but
>>> it's
>>> >> difficult to atract people without all arguments. I am trying..
>>> >>
>>> >> Letś think about it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards.
>>> >> --
>>> >> Obrigado,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ricardo Graça :
>>> >> Diretor de Criação: RME Comunicação ltda
>>> >> Consultor do Núcleo de Cultura Digital - Escritório de Apoio à
>>> >> Produção Cultural - Secretaria de Estado de Cultura do Rio de Janeiro
>>> >> www.ricolandia.com :: Facebook :: Twitter :: 55 21
>>> >> 9103-0999<55%2021%209103-0999>:: 8081-4677
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Hi, Ricardo!
>>> > I understand your complains.
>>> > About documentation. We have it on the wiki. I did some steps to add
>>> > translations features, basic structure, pdf export. But I haven't time
>>> > to finish it. Unfortunately my time is limited. I'm handling release
>>> > documentation (Release notes, etc), the website administration, I'm
>>> > trying to resolve mac packages issue (although I have no mac)... Also
>>> > we are working hard with Genete on brainstorming solutions for bugs
>>> > and etc. I understand your ideas and they are right, but I don't feel
>>> > the real support underneath.
>>> > Say, who of our forum members started updating the wiki pages after
>>> > the 0.63.04 release? Only DaveJ. I don't blame anyone, but not much
>>> > people understand that even if you did something, there's still MUCH
>>> > work to maintain it.
>>> > Who is working on the code? Only Carlos. Did anyone imaginet what will
>>> > be with Synfig if he will leave?
>>> > Last year we have brought the new site for synfig. We did much.
>>> > But this year I will not be able to work on synfig on the same rates -
>>> > because I want to finish with Morevna Demo in 2012. And I see no point
>>> > in starting new Open Movie.
>>> > I'm sorry if everything I say is sounds rude.
>>> > What I want to say - we understand our problems. We have a lot of
>>> > ideas, we have knowledge to do it. Our problem is TIME.
>>> > For current situation - if someone misses the documentation I think
>>> > the best is start with updating English version to be fully up to date
>>> > with 0.63.04. At least "Diving In" section.
>>> > Dixi.
>>> > K
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > http://morevnaproject.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://morevnaproject.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Obrigado,
>>
>> *Ricardo Graça * :
>> Diretor de Criação: RME Comunicação ltda
>> Consultor do Núcleo de Cultura Digital - Escritório de Apoio à
>> Produção Cultural - Secretaria de Estado de Cultura do Rio de Janeiro
>> www.ricolandia.com :: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/rico.ricardograca>::
>> Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/ricardograca> :: 55 21 9103-0999 ::
>> 8081-4677
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Carlos
> http://synfig.org
>
>
>
> --
> David Rylander
> Rylander Animation
> Bergsrådsvägen 102, bv
> 12842 Bagarmossen.
>
> [email protected]
>
>
--
Carlos
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