David, Thanks for the reminder.
I have read -transport-tls several times, only been unable to have a close look at the latest increment. To my understanding, there were only minor changes to the document, so I am still happy with it. I am concerned about the lack of feedback to my response to your concerns on the "enc" SD-ID and transparency of MSG and STRUCTURED-DATA in -protocol. I am hesitant to do any edits until there has been any final discussion of these issues (reminder: I am most probably able to edit starting September, 18th). I have roughly reviewed -transport-tls (due to my time constraints). All in all, it looks good enough to me. My main concerns have already been addressed by adding the version number. I think, however, this point needs some more discussion. There are many other points in -tls that could be discussed. HOWEVER, I think discussing any of them now would make us miss our milestone. What is there is well enough. It could be better. Let's do that at later stage (version field permits this). We have been discussing syslog-protocol and -tls (and the work leading to it) for 3 or 4 years now, often going in circles. Participation levels have varied greatly. My personal opinion is that many folks are finally bored with going ever and ever over the same arguments. But I may be wrong. Getting some work done would definitely help us. We should not aim for the perfect. In an ideal world, we would have only ideal solutions. But we do not life in an ideal world. If NASA feels strong enough to launch a shuttle with an imperfect fuel cell, we should probably feel strong enough in putting some non-ideal but obviously useful work to completion. So please comment on the drafts and open issues. Rainer > -----Original Message----- > From: David Harrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 1:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Syslog] WGLC and document advancement > > Hi, > > There are good things and bad things that come with having a new WG > co-chair. > I think I have helped the WG by driving the completion of milestones. > That's the good part. > The bad part is I bring my own opinions of what adequate review means. > > The IETF has started using a new process, called document shepherding, > for the advancement of documents to the standards-track. The chairs > are given much more responsibility and authority to decide whether > documents are ready for advancement. They are expected to write up > their analyses of WG issues, consensus, and degree of review of the > documents being submitted, and these analyses will be reviewed at > every step of the process after this point, as the members of the IESG > try to determine whether the document really is ready for advancment > to standards-track. You can see the details they expect us to provide > by reading draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-07 (which has been > expanded quite a bit from the -05- draft used during your earlier > WGLCs). > > I have shepherded a number of documents through the process, and I > know how difficult it can be to get documents through the process, and > how much the documents can be delayed during the standards-approval > process if they are not really ready for submission to that process. > > I am concerned that the documents have not gotten adequate review > during WGLC. There have been very few comments made, and I would like > to see more reviews done by the members of the WG for each of these > documents. > > If you have problems with the documents, speak up now, so the chairs > can be sure your concerns are recognized and have been addressed. > > If you have read the document, and found no important problems and > have no significant objections to the document, and belive it is ready > to be submitted to the advancement process, please send a note to the > WG saying so. > > David Harrington > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _______________________________________________ > Syslog mailing list > [email protected] > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/syslog > _______________________________________________ Syslog mailing list [email protected] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/syslog
