It looks like the class struggle you are trying to revive is long over
in most of the british OSM mappers. Or maybe the intersection between
"british football supporters" and osm mappers is to little :) Because
even famous Wembley Stadium is tagged with sport=soccer
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/59147814/history
Any more opinions from anyone in the UK would be interesting?
Claudius
Am 28.06.2010 12:02, Jason Cunningham:
Stephen, you missed the point I was making. I dont agree with
sport=football because, as you say, there are numerous versions of
football out there.
What I have brought into the discussion is soccer is considered an
insulting word for 'association football' for 'football supporters' in
the UK.
In England and Scotland we had a class split between Rugby Union and
Association Football.
The English/Scottish rich played Rugby Union and the working class
played Association Football.
The English rich sent their children to expensive boarding schools,
where in most cases Association Football was not allowed because it
was seen as a working class sport.
The English rich decided they didnt like using the long 'association
football', and were understandably unhappy about the working class
stealing the term 'football' for the working class game. So the rich
English came up with the term soccer.
Soccer was invented and used by the rich English to be slightly
insulting, although some will argue that is not the case.
Where there is no argument is that many working class English and
Scottish football supporters have a hatred of the term soccer because
in England and Scotland it is used by rich people or rugby supporters,
and always said with a slight sneer.
(Several countries dont like the use of the word 'football' to
describe Association Football and these countries used the word
soccer. Ironically I used soccer as child in Ireland)
As a result a lot of British football supporters will see the use of
soccer, when we could use association_football, as a deliberate
insult. Seeing their teams 'football stadiums' labelled as soccer
stadiums is close to a deceleration of war.
I would be confident in sport=soccer at some point resulting in large
amounts of vandalism to OSM.
So I suggest, football=association_football
Jason
No, Jason, what is insulting is when soccer players/fans try to claim
exclusive use of a word which has been used for hundreds of years for
many sports, of which soccer is one on the most recent, and also the
least like the original. Original football banned kicking the ball,
it was carried and thrown only.
You can recommend association_football if you like, but I would bet
many more people can tell you what soccer is than association
football.
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