(this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have inserted "my" problem with bicycle=no/dismount)
Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which are part of dedicated combined foot-cycle paths or even pure cycle paths. The legal requirements is that cyclists dismount to use them (which no cyclist does, but that's a different story). Mapping with JOSM (as I do) you are offered the possibility to map Pedestrian Crossings specifiying whether they can be used by cyclists (riding the bike) using the "cross on bicycle" option). If you select "cross by bicycle" JODM inserts "bicycle=yes", if you select no crossing by bicycle, JOSM inserts "bicycle=no". I only recently have started to insert manually "bicycle=dismount" This feature of JOSM indicates to me that there is most likely widespread use of bicycle=no on crossings with the meaning of bicycle=dismount. (according to taginfo the combination crossing and bicycle is used on 42000 nodes, bicycle=dismount is used on 1900 nodes, bicycle=no is used on 56000 nodes A similar problem exists with cycle barriers (chicanes), where often bicycle=no is used to indicate that you have to dismount to pass the obstacle. I don't know how routers handle these cases. I fear that in the end we will be landed with the impossibility for routers to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount at least on nodes of type crossing and barrier. On 16 October 2013 00:49, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 October 2013 16:35, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > 2013/10/14 Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> > >> > >> bicycle=no on the entry/exit node should suffice for routing > > > > +1, for routing that should be sufficient, but not for mapping ;-) > > If they are explicitly forbidden on all ways it would not be bad to have > it > > on all ways as explicit tag (IMHO). > > That rather depends on whether bicycle=no is interpreted to mean "no > cycling" or "no bicycles" -- which seems to be the key thing we need > to agree on first. > > Robert. > > -- > Robert Whittaker > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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