Dear André, Also being new to OSM and new to the tagging mailing list, I completely understand your frustration. And I also believe that a lot of people left OSM because even if they try hard, the don't get it right.
On the other hand, I also understand the people being involved for a long time in OSM, to explain over and over again the same things ... But I think, in all documentations on the wiki, there is a lot of "clean-up" needed, to make clear to newcomers what's valid and what's not. And also I think contributors would benefit from a badge indicating the state, like "I'm new and willing to learn. If I do something wrong, it's not on purpose", in opposition to a badge "I'm an old OSM guy and grounchy, and if I do something, I do it on purpuse to make life harder for others". In a conlcusion, I only can ask you to stay and help to transform OSM in the way your suggesting. Concerning opening_hours: I'm very much happy that finally someone (André) tries to simply this tag. I personally think the original definition is a nightmare, and even Andrés "simplified" syntax looks very, very complicated to a normal mapper. Well, I really hope the person that added the "don't use it"-flag will remove it and help to improve André diagramm! Thanks, nounours (badge: greenhorn, but willing to learn) Am 28.11.2013 um 16:15 schrieb André Pirard: > Hi, > > I had to tag the simplest thing there is: a parking lot closed a few hours on > Fridays (during market time). > On wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours, I found explanations by, rather than a > simple diagram, a lot of examples and explanations sometimes nearing slang > like "off" rather than the internationally understood "closed". > After spending much time reading them several times, I didn't find how to > code that ubiquitous case. > I queried this list and I received something like six different and > alternating answers. > Someone even said that "off", crowding the page, is not to be used. > So, I thought that this fuzzy matter had to be be solved by writing a simple > syntax diagram. Should anything be wrong in it, someone would put it right > and it would be a good job jobbed and a big step forward. > Instead of that, someone added to footnote 1 the very clear sentence "no > program works like that", looking like a discussion message. I posted here > that it would be better to state (and fix) how the diagram must be rather > than how it must not (I also receive repeated updates notices from the > discussion page in which someone put a vote). > > And now, probably in thanks for my contribution, my diagram was adorned with > this: > > <40px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png> > The syntax diagram below had no proper discussion and vote, and conflicts > with established tagging. Don't use it! > It is obviously something very difficult to understand that a diagram > translating an article needs no discussion nor vote but needs to be corrected > to align with the obscure explanations by their gurus. Else, it's the > article itself that suffers from lack of discussion and vote. That remark > still doesn't say what's wrong in the diagram. > In practical conclusion, two months after stating the problem I still don't > see how to do. I know that the diagram is wrong but not what in it and there > is still no example in the page explaining how to tag that ubiquitous case. > > So, I followed my best option: remove my tagging, unsubscribe and forget it > all about opening-hours. > That's probably what a many mappers have done silently, unless it's true that > they tag in every which way. > > Help OSM, they say. > All the best for the rest > > André. > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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