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On 28/11/2013 15:32, nounours wrote:
Dear André,
Also being new to OSM and new to the tagging mailing list, I
completely understand your frustration. And I also believe that a lot
of people left OSM because even if they try hard, the don't get it right.
On the other hand, I also understand the people being involved for a
long time in OSM, to explain over and over again the same things ...
But I think, in all documentations on the wiki, there is a lot of
"clean-up" needed, to make clear to newcomers what's valid and what's
not. And also I think contributors would benefit from a badge
indicating the state, like "I'm new and willing to learn. If I do
something wrong, it's not on purpose", in opposition to a badge "I'm
an old OSM guy and grounchy, and if I do something, I do it on purpuse
to make life harder for others".
In a conlcusion, I only can ask you to stay and help to transform OSM
in the way your suggesting.
Concerning opening_hours: I'm very much happy that finally someone
(André) tries to simply this tag. I personally think the original
definition is a nightmare, and even Andrés "simplified" syntax looks
very, very complicated to a normal mapper.
Well, I really hope the person that added the "don't use it"-flag will
remove it and help to improve André diagramm!
Thanks, nounours
(badge: greenhorn, but willing to learn)
Am 28.11.2013 um 16:15 schrieb André Pirard:
Hi,
I had to tag the simplest thing there is: a parking lot closed a few
hours on Fridays (during market time).
On wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours
<http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours>, I found explanations by,
rather than a simple diagram, a lot of examples and explanations
sometimes nearing slang like "off" rather than the internationally
understood "closed".
After spending much time reading them several times, I didn't find
how to code that ubiquitous case.
I queried this list and I received something like six different and
alternating answers.
Someone even said that "off", crowding the page, is not to be used.
So, I thought that this fuzzy matter had to be be solved by writing a
simple syntax diagram. Should anything be wrong in it, someone would
put it right and it would be a good job jobbed and a big step forward.
Instead of that, someone added to footnote 1 the very clear sentence
"no program works like that", looking like a discussion message. I
posted here that it would be better to state (and fix) how the
diagram must be rather than how it must not (I also receive repeated
updates notices from the discussion page in which someone put a vote).
And now, probably in thanks for my contribution, my diagram was
adorned with this:
<40px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png>
<http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg>
The syntax diagram below had no proper discussion and vote, and
conflicts with established tagging. *Don't use it!*
It is obviously something very difficult to understand that a diagram
translating an article needs no discussion nor vote but needs to be
corrected to align with the obscure explanations by their gurus.
Else, it's the article itself that suffers from lack of discussion
and vote. That remark still doesn't say what's wrong in the diagram.
In practical conclusion, two months after stating the problem I still
don't see how to do. I know that the diagram is wrong but not what
in it and there is still no example in the page explaining how to tag
that ubiquitous case.
So, I followed my best option: remove my tagging, unsubscribe and
forget it all about opening-hours.
That's probably what a many mappers have done silently, unless it's
true that they tag in every which way.
Help OSM, they say.
All the best for the rest
André.
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