If I would have to choose between the options I would go for full_service, but I leave this to the native speakers. If I get the same service and pay the same for a state run campground as for a privately run one it can be called commercial.
Is it a problem if tourism=camp_site wouldn't get the attribute camp_site=commercial in this case? It is the default and most common one anyhow. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was trying to do as Richard suggested, that is, trim the other replies > off the message. Screwed that up. > > It's not the definition I object to, it's the use of the term commercial. > Regardless of the quacking like a duck comparison, the national, state, and > forest service campgrounds are simply not commercial by American standards. > That's why I was trying to redefine designated to make it possible to > include our state and national park camp_sites in that category, or any > category. I can practically guarantee that nobody in the United States will > tag a camp_site inside of a national park as commercial. If I'm left with > the definitions the way they are now, I'll simply tag them as > tourism=camp_site and be done with it. Other amenities can be added to > nodes or buildings as appropriate. > > Let's come up with a better term for the full-featured ("flash") sites > we're talking about. This recent modification is good but still needs work, > IMO > > > 1. Commercial campgrounds: large sites for tents, caravans and RV's, > offering toilets, showers, internet, laundry and dish washing facilities, a > shop, a swimming pool, waste stations, internet, etc. They are often > crowded, usually have defined pitches and someone is in charge. Commercial > campgrounds are found in countries with a camping holiday culture like > North America, Western Europe, South Africa and Australia. They can be run > by private parties, but also by public bodies on a commercial basis like > the campgrounds in South African National Parks; > > > How about full_service, full_featured, comprehensive? I don't like any of > these and only offer them as food for thought. But I cannot get on board > with commercial. > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, David Bannon <dban...@internode.on.net> > wrote: > >> Dave S, think you missed the list.... >> >> On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 09:19 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> > Okay then, Your idea is to define the campgrounds inside of national >> > and state parks as commercial ones? >> >> Well, its more a case of are you paying to camp there ? And are you >> being provided with extensive services or not ? >> >> Here in Aus, camp grounds in national parks are generally more basic, >> they are cheap, minimal facilities. But some, at specific places, are >> more like commercial ones. So, I'd call the flash ones commercial, even >> though they are operated by Parks. >> > >> > >> > I have no problem with that other than I usually don't consider >> > government run operations of any type, including campgrounds, as >> > "commercial". >> >> If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, I reckon its a duck ! >> >> > Commercial implies a business run for profit, not a governmental >> > administered operation. All I'm looking for is a category into which >> > the majority of the campgrounds in the United States will fit. If you >> > want to lump them together then the definition of commercial needs to >> > change. >> >> Yes, maybe its a case that the name is wrong. Not sure of a better name. >> When you think about it, the camp ground it self (in those flash >> National Parks) are in fact run for profit, the profit goes back to help >> running the park, but its still run on a fee for service basis. >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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