On 16/01/2016 8:35 AM, Colin Smale wrote:

How would you translate or apply these tags in e.g. the UK or the Netherlands (my home countries)? What is a "state government"? What is a "local government seat"? These things will mean different things to different people.

Although this is phrased a bit rhetorically, I do think we should be aware that a description in one person's vernacular is not necessarily clear to a diverse audience. A "town hall" is (to me) a bit archaic, but I think many people would be able to answer the question "where is the town hall?" for their home municipality. It will often be a historic building, and may or may not be where the council chamber is, or where the "mayor" or the head of the council has their office. So how do you decide if a building is a/the Town Hall?

And what would be an example of "an office of a local administrative authority, not related to the state government"? I cannot imagine, maybe someone can jog my brain in the right direction.

As for building=public, well, words fail me. What is a "public building"? A building to which the public has access? That's not an attribute of the building, that needs an access=* tag.

This kind of unclear semantics is exactly why I will vote to discourage amenity=public_building. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water and suggest a replacement which is just as bad, if not worse.


These tags and the descriptions are already on the wiki.
If they should be improved .. or discouraged .. then do that as separate issues.


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Town Halls...
England ...
https://www.thsh.co.uk/town-hall/
http://www.leeds.gov.uk/townhall/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.cheltenhamtownhall.org.uk/
https://www.loughboroughtownhall.co.uk/

and a few more...
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"an office of a local administrative authority, not related to the state government"

Errr some names ? local council, shire council, county council...

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building=public .. already done this. I do agree that it is not 'good'. But someone put it up. And it can be discussed .. on the wiki or as a separate thread.

//colin

On 2016-01-15 22:13, Warin wrote:

On 16/01/2016 7:03 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
Hi all,

Based on the discussion arising from my previous message, it seems
that there is support to discourage the tag amenity=public_building.

I have therefore created a proposal page to explicitly mark this tag
as discouraged in the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Discourage_amenity%3Dpublic_building

Please let me know what you think.

There should be a mention of tagging a feature as well as a function.

So I would separate up the tags thus;

..."Some examples:

To tag a function;

  * office <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office>=public
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dgovernment> for
    an office of an agency or department of the national/state
    government.
  * office
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office>=administrative
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dadministrative>
    for an office of a local administrative authority, not related to
    the state government.
  * amenity <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=townhall
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtownhall> for a
    local government seat.

To tag a feature;

  * building <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office>=public
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dgovernment> for
    a public building.
  * building <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office>=school
    <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dadministrative>
    for a school.

"

?

-- Matthijs

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