On 19/03/2016 07:41, johnw wrote:
OSM is for gathering data - lots of lots of locally based knowledge of
things. Mountains are no different.
Great! Let's gather lots of data about each place...
Trying to decide what mountains are worth labeling at different zooms
via some GIS data is ridiculous.
No, as Andy and Richard have already pointed out it's the _exact
opposite_ of that. Richard's already mentioned how he gives pubs
different prominence depending on where they're located; many of the
"specialist maps created with OSM data" use some other data (relevant to
that map) to decide what to render and when (e.g. historical tags,
railway tags, whatever).
So we render them all equally - which is equally as ridiculous.
Who's this "we"? There are lots of maps made with OSM data; there are 5
different ones on osm.org. A related issue that I've been thinking for
a while now how to make natural=peak render sensibly when there are lots
of them together, like here for example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/52.9348/-3.5334
Even by the "does it look impressive from the road" measure, some of
those "natural=peak" I suspect are really very prominent, some of them
are not, and some probably aren't really peaks at all (we've had a bit
of an issue in GB with a keen but somewhat misguided mapper adding
spot-heights from historic maps as "peaks", some of which have since
become quarries).
What isn't going to work is deciding that some of them are, by some
measure, "important". We got to that problem (via a different route)
with individual trees and lots of problems ensued. According to
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=natural%3Dpeak there are
over 14k natural=peak in GB; it's very likely that be any global
"importance" measure _none_ of those in that map view are. Even some
local measure isn't going to work as I'm certainly not going to review
14k bits of data and with no local knowledge try and come up with some
"importance" value.
What we need to do instead is come up with a way of using other
verifiable data, perhaps from OSM, perhaps from other sources, that
allows maps to decide whether it is, in their eyes "important".
Cheers,
Andy
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