On 18-Sep-17 04:47 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On 18 September 2017 at 14:55, Kevin Kenny
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Dave Swarthout
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm trying to tag some stocked fishing ponds that reside on a
military reservation in Alaska, Fort Greely. The ponds are
stocked by the Alaska Department of Fish & Game but require a
special permit for access. This is from the Department of Fish
& Game website:
These lakes are on military land. A permit is required to
legally access these lakes. For Army land a Recreational
Access Permit (RAP) is required.
access=permissive isn't quite right nor is access=private.
For me, and apparently for you, there's a big difference between
'this land is private', and 'access to this land requires certain
formalities to be complied with, but permission is ordinarily
granted.' But i appear to be imagining that the difference is
important, since nobody else on the planet sees it.
You can count me in there as well, 'cause I've got a similar'ish sort
of question, thanks gents :-)
Just off the Queensland coast, there are a number of large, sand
islands, which are reached by ferry (in one case, by bridge) & are
very popular tourist destinations. eg Fraser Island:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/-25.322/152.732
These islands are controlled by Qld National Parks & anybody is
allowed to visit them, but to drive on the island, either on the beach
or inland tracks, you must have a vehicle permit, which can be simply
bought either online, or from various retailers - newsagents, service
stations etc. The main beaches on each of these islands are also the
main roads to travel around the island, & are, in fact, designated
public roads, where normal speed limits, licensing requirements,
alcohol limits etc all apply, & are enforced by Police.
So how should they be marked?
They're open to the general public until National Parks says no, so
that's permissive?
But you need a permit, so does that make them private?
Maybe they should be marked as toll=yes, although there's no
toll-booth where you can pay?
& then how do you mark the entire Island, or just the main beach, as
needing a permit? Marked tracks can be tagged easily enough, but the
beach is just a beach!
Looking forward to working something out! :-)
The Kokoda Trail, New Guinea has similar requirements - for walkers. A
permit with a fee ... the fact that some road/path has no tool booth
does not mean a toll/fee is not charged.
Arr yes .. the Simpson Desert, Australia has a similar permit thing ..
for vehicles.
Where a toll/fee is charged then which tag to use fee=* or toll=* ???
This should be separate from the access consideration. I would think
both are the same thing and should be combined at some stage.
There are different difficulties of gaining a 'permit'. Some have a
numerical limit, some a schedule, some are simply a paperwork exercise.
There are numerical limits on popular walking tracks to stop overuse
(e.g. Milford Track New Zealand, Overland Track Australia).
A fair proportion of South Australia has a scheduled permit system so
that you are not on the rocket firing range when it is in that use.
They all tend towards access=private.
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