I independently reached a conclusion similar to Jo's. No need for a
separate tag; the difference is made clear when you look at whether it's a
node, way or area. And there are lots of optional tags to indicate
structural elements like benches, shelters, tactile pavement, etc.
I don't usually go beyond platform nodes, but if others have tagged
wait-point ways/areas as public_transport=platform (or highway=platform, or
even highway=pedestrian), I let them be.
The conclusion I'm reaching (for bus routes, anyhow) is that only platform
nodes should be included in the relations (along with the ways that
comprise the routes). In particular, platforms that are ways or areas
should not be included in the relations, nor should stop positions. (All of
these could be included in stop area relations.)
This implies the following changes to v2:
1) every platform node should have mandatory {mode}=yes tag(s)
2) stop_positions should be optional on the map and should not be included
in the route relations
I'm inclined to agree with the wiki that the v1 tags on nodes should remain
(including the two million highway=bus_stop tags).
I don't really see a big advantage in changing the value of the v2 tag from
public_transport=platform to something like public_transport=wait_area (and
there are about one million public_transport=platform tags at the moment).
John
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> highway=platform and railway=platform on a WAY or an AREA are perfectly
> fine tags for such platforms, where they exist. Until about a year ago I
> was also adding public_transport=platform to these ways, but as it creates
> confusion with the platform NODES, which as far as I am concerned represent
> the bus and tram stops, I stopped doing that.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_
> Assistant/Mapping_Public_Transport_with_JOSM
>
> Jo
>
> 2018-03-31 9:23 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse <selfishseaho...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Is public_transport=platform now about the structure or the function?
>>
>> If it is about the function, then we need a separate tag for the
>> platform structure.
>>
>> If it is about the structure, then we should decide to either map the
>> sidewalk or public_transport=platform (depending on how we define a
>> platform). Otherwise, we say that there are two physical structures,
>> which is wrong.
>>
>> On 30 March 2018 at 19:41, "Christian Müller" <cmu...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. März 2018 um 11:06 Uhr
>> >> Von: "Selfish Seahorse" <selfishseaho...@gmail.com>
>> >> An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <
>> tagging@openstreetmap.org>
>> >> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't call a sidewalk a platform, especially because the waiting
>> >> area on the sidewalk often isn't clearly delimited. Furthermore,
>> >> double tagging doesn't work if the sidewalk is called 'X Road' and the
>> >> bus stop 'Y Square'.
>> >>
>> >
>> > If a sidewalk _functions_ as a platform, than you can indeed call that
>> > part of the sidewalk a platform, depending on which role of the area
>> > you are currently talking about. This is time-dependent:
>> >
>> > If lots of people are standing and waiting on that sidewalk for a
>> > vehicle to arrive, it will be easier for you to see why this is (also)
>> > a platform, than e.g. at night time without a PT service serving the
>> > halt.
>> >
>> > A thing as simple as a box may be used as a table or chair. This is
>> > the same thing here. You have a physical structure that is so simple
>> > that it may function as a platform or a sidewalk, depending on current
>> > use.
>> >
>> >
>> > Greetings
>> > cmuelle8
>> >
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