On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Warin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 24/05/18 08:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > [Getting opening hours from websites] > > Most websites have some copyright thing .. that makes some nervous. > I usually only tag things that interest me, and stuff I like to support. > In countries which are signatories to the Berne Convention (which is most of them), copyright applies AUTOMATICALLY to any creative work, whether that copyright is asserted or not. Websites often assert copyright and signs showing opening hours usually do not, but they both ARE copyright. AUTOMATICALLY. Would a copyright claim over opening hours (however the info was obtained) be upheld? Very unlikely. 1) Telephone companies have lost claims against people who produced DVDs of their phone books (by having lots of people keyboard the information). The same goes for tide tables and bus timetables. The info was deemed insufficiently creative. 2) The shop isn't making money by selling copies of the opening hours so putting those hours into OSM is not depriving them of income. Would a copyright claim even be asserted? 1) It's in the company's interest to have their opening hours known to potential customers. 2) It would be expensive to mount a claim, and the claim would be unlikely to succeed. If you really are worried about getting opening hours from a website then you should be just as worried about getting it from a sign. Either way you should ask the owner for permission because the risk is the same either way. Note: IANAL. -- Paul
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