You know, some people have advocated for a tag or, more properly, a set of tags that can enumerate the items sold by a given shop. The tag set uses the key "sells:*=yes/no. So if a given shop sells Korean food, one could tag it as shop=food (or shop=convenience or grocery, or general) and sells:korean_food=yes, or sells:pierogi=yes, etc.. The list can be as long as one wants and the items sold can be queried via search engines or what have you. A similar scheme has been proposed for bicycle and motorcycle shops that employ the service:bicycle:*=yes/no tag set so one can tag service:bicycle:repair=yes/no, service:bicycle:rental=yes/no, etc.
I'm not advocating this scenario but thought it might be of interest. I do think it would be nice to have some overriding methodology to govern the construction of these new tags we keep wanting to invent. The sells key only has a few uses so far but for some reason it appeals to me; here's the Taginfo link: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sells The service proposal is here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/service:bicycle Cheers, Dave On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 4:33 PM Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > If you think the specialty shops should have there own tag, we could start > using shop=specialty_grocery > > But I would like someone from England to confirm if this is the specific > British term. > > I’m ok with using shop=general for the small shops in developing > countries, if we can edit the wiki to allow use in towns and cities. > > I don’t believe there is shop=market tag yet. There is amenity=marketplace > for public markets, found in old town centers in Europe but much more > common in the developing world. Probably shop=market would be too easily > confused with marketplaces. > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:42 PM John Willis <[email protected]> wrote: > >> sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed >> >> >> - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience >> shops. >> >> - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or >> special cultural interest >> >> - “markets” in developing countries. >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops >> in developing countries and specialty grocers in cities? >> >> >> Are there still small groceries in Japan which sell non-perishable food >> items, but would not be properly considerd a shop=convenience, >> shop=general, shop=greengrocer or shop=supermarket? >> >> >> I know the shops that you speak of. They were the local “everyday needs” >> shop - the market/grocery shop, very similar to a general store - but in an >> urban area. they were the only shop that had some of everything that wasn't >> covered by the Rice shop, fish shop, the butcher, and the produce stand: >> curry mix, spices, dish soap, eggs, milk, toilet paper, etc. they would be >> shop=market, if that exists.They still exist in Japan, but are almost gone. >> The mom-n-pop ones are operated by people that live over the shop, and they >> are still operated for the locals to come sit there and gossip - but >> everyone goes to the supermarket 3 minutes away. they never look like they >> sell anything, and most have been shuttered, but a few are still there. >> the only corner market I knew of was there are a few shop=general out in >> the mountains - but all the “markets” were put out of business by >> supermarkets a long time ago in California. I know of only one from >> personal experience. I hear of the “corner shop” or “bodegas” in New York - >> similar to the little corner market Bullitt buys his frozen dinners from in >> the movie in San Francisco - they seem to be disappearing in developed >> countries. >> >> They are the proto-market: the Convenience store is more convenient, they >> have no departments, they are not specific enough to be a greengrocer nor >> have a stock of blankets, bullets, motor oil, and firewood like a general >> store - they are the “daily market”, not a giant supermarket - the corner >> store. >> >> a small market for daily living in developing countries feels like it >> would be a shop=general - a general store has a certain feeling when it is >> the only retail building in 40 miles in any direction, perhaps that is >> similar to the developing country shops. >> >> I think shop=general for the small developing countries’ markets or these >> fading local markets would be a good kludge, but it is not a fit **at all** >> for some specialty shop in a big city. >> >> Mediterranean groceries or Caribbean foods, as found in some big cities. >> >> >> This is a great question. there are all kinds of [asian country] markets >> in San Diego, and there are Philippine, Brazilian, and “Halal foods” shops >> here in my area of Japan. There are also chain shops catering to “foreign >> foods” : American snacks, British mints, South American Coffee, Italian >> pasta, etc. they almost always are around food. >> >> if there is a convenience store, a supermarket, a “halal foods” shop, and >> a butcher shop on the same block - that isn’t 4 “markets” - I think the >> idea of a “foreign foods" market is good - and then choose a theme or >> country, or religion, or similar tag would work. . I don’t know how that >> aspect would be tagged - but the type of shop - the “import goods from some >> far off place catering to a minorty group that lives in the region” is a >> very very common occurrence, and very very rarely considered by the >> majority residents to be a place to go shopping (they all shop at the >> supermarket, as their ethnic and culturally specific goods are stocked >> there). I think having a shop=halal and a shop=Japanese would be wrong - as >> the only place they would be used is outside those areas, and confusing for >> people inside those areas. >> >> If we try to come up with a tag that fits all these uses, it won’t fit. >> We need to create shop=* tags to fit these separately. >> >> Javbw >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
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