I also reached this conclusion some time ago but looking at how it is
difficult to change something regarding tagging I stop authorizing
myself thinking that such situation CAN be changed. However I'm not
affraid of such major change if it can bring enhancement. I'm ok to
consider a proposal which would lead to the tourism=accomodation schema.
But I think that whatever we do (new schema vs existing schema) an
"Accomodation" wiki page (routing to hotel/motel/... tags) will be
helpfull to today route to existing tags and maybe tomorrow explain the
new schema.
Yours,
LeTopographeFou
Le 01/01/2019 à 03:23, Silent Spike a écrit :
I've recently been more involved with wikidata and come to appreciate
the benefits of having a structured set of data interlinked by well
defined properties. You can see here
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q216212> that the current information
there considers motels to be a subclass of hotels (so all motels are
hotels, not all hotels are motels). Which makes sense to me, hotels
are the short term accommodation part of your definition and then this
can be further specified as a motel if it's build around a car parking
area as the main attraction of the hotel.
In terms of the splitting hairs and tagging conversation, this seems
to support the tourism=accommodation idea mentioned, but yeah existing
tags are so widely used already...
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 PM Warin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am getting the same feeling for intermittent/seasonal and
ephemeral ... should all be one top level tag. Sigh.
n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote:
Tobias wrote:
"Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical
distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think
that we could abandon the tag altogether."
+1
I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some cases it
simply isn't worth the effort. These objects are just temporary
accommodations that, granted, have varying characteristics. Here
in Thailand, it's virtually impossible to differentiate between a
guest_house and a hotel. And how should one tag facilities that
label themselves as a "resort" (รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might
(have been) to use a generic term like tourism=accommodation as a
top level and then describe the facility more fully with subtags.
Of course, we're pretty much stuck with the present imperfect
tagging situation.
Dave
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias Wrede
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In Germany my experience is that actually most hotels in the
cities charge for parking. On the other hand you find very
very few that call themselves "motel". I can only think of
one currently that does, and it is located within a motorway
rest area. The exception is the chain Motel One which is a
very typical _h_otel often located in city centers offering
only limited parking.
When I think of a motel I always picture those with doors
opening to the car park from US movies. Now that several
comments here indicate that the only practical distinction
today is the name on the front sign I come to think that we
could abandon the tag altogether. What value does it generate
for the data consumer if tourism=motel and tourism=hotel is
all but the same and practical distinction could for both be
made by subtags parking=y/n, parking:fee=y/n, etc?
Tobias
Am 24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
In the USA, we would also assume a motel offers free
parking. Hotels may charge extra for parking, especial if
located downtown or next to an airport.
Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dave Swarthout
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
"Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel. Local
licensing authorities do not differentiate between them
and they are regulated identically, so far as I can
tell. I'd say the definition should be based on what is
written on the sign on the hostelry."
+1
That's my main criterion for tagging an accommodation as
a motel. I agree with Volker's points and Allan's view
on this.
Happy Holidays
Dave
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27 AM Allan Mustard
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Motel = MOtor hoTEL
The major difference between a 'hotel" and a "motel"
originally was the configuration of the building
with respect to parking. At a traditionally
designed motel, the cars are parked outside the
units, which typically open to the outdoors, not to
a hallway, so that patrons of the motel may come and
go freely to their automobiles. Length of stay is
immaterial.
The first motels appeared on the Lincoln Highway in
the 1920s, if memory serves, and had little carports
capable of accommodating a Model T Ford-sized
automobile next to a cabin (yes, the first motels
featured cabins, not rooms in a larger building).
Then along came Motel 6, so called because it
charged $6 per night back in the day (it featured
coin-operated TVs and you paid extra for everything
but the bed, bath, and four walls). Many Motel 6s
had hallways, and that changed the design, but they
still catered to transients en route from Point A to
Point B.
Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel.
Local licensing authorities do not differentiate
between them and they are regulated identically, so
far as I can tell. I'd say the definition should be
based on what is written on the sign on the
hostelry. These are my two cents' worth based on
30+ years of travel, including a few cross-country
trips across America as well as extensive on-ground
travel in Mexico, Russia, and central Europe.
Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
apm-wa
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:33 AM bkil <bkil.hu
<http://bkil.hu>[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
I've made a major rewording of this tag. Please
review and don't hesitate to comment or improve
if I've mistakenly changed the meaning of the tag:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324
Source: based on Wikipedia and recent mapping
experience:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632
It also looks like some have used the word motel
for what should have been pensions and guest
houses around here, I'll also fix these later.
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