Am Fr., 1. März 2019 um 18:55 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com>:
> Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> writes: > > > I wonder what we call "police" in OSM. > > > > The wiki does not offer a lot of guidance (France aside): "A police > station > > is a building where police officers and other staff work and are > dispatched > > from, and where suspects and evidence are collected and processed." > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpolice > > > > Is this limited to civil police forces, or does it include military > forces? > > The French seem to include the Gendarmerie (military force under the > > jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior), and similarly we include > the > > Carabinieri in Italy (adding also landuse=military). > I have looked at some police facilites in my area and must admit that I am now even more confused about how to map them. Here in Germany, there are two main police forces, the 16 state polices and the federal police. Also, in some cities there is a municipal police, which are usually uniformed members of the city administration who are not allowed to recur to the use of force. Still, they do some minor policing tasks. There's also a military police, but afaik their competences are restricted to issues within the military forces. Here in Frankfurt for example, the municipal police station is tagged as "amenity=police" and "operator=Stadtpolizei" ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/440792258), which to me is fine. State and federal police stations are also tagged as "amenity=police" albeit without the "operator" tag (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/440792258 for a federal police station and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/401296942 for a state police station). That's also fine, I guess, although the "operator" tag might be helpful. However, other facilities of the state police, like barracks for special units, are also tagged as "amenity=police" ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/55342341), although they don't attend the public at all. And even stranger, barracks of the federal police are tagged as "military=barracks" (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4537958), although since the Federal Border Protection Service (Bundesgrenzschutz) has been transformed into the federal police in the 1990s, it has lost its combatant status under international law and today clearly is a civil police force. In France, I've checked only one Gendarmerie site, where the area has been tagged as "landuse=military" but the Gendarmerie station on the area, where the public is attended, has been tagged as "amenity=police" ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47840959). However, the barracks of the Compagnie Républicaine de Sécurité at Strabourg are also mapped as "amenity=police", although there doesn't seem to be a post to attend the public, either. The combination of "office=government" and "government=police" is hardly used at all in Germany and France (which is not surprising at all, given that taginfo only returns 75 instances at all). In consequence, I don't see that the current way of tagging police facilities was useful for several reasons: 1) Police facilities are tagged as "amenity=police", indiscriminately of whether one can go there in an emergency or not. Even purely administrative units which don't attend the public at all receive the same tag as common police stations. 2) The police has a variety of facilites, similar to the military forces, that cannot be currently differentiated. 3) There is a confusion about what to tag as "police" and what to tag as "military". I would hence suggest to introduce a new tag "police" with keys like "station", "administration", "criminal police", "barracks", "range", "naval_base" (for river police or coast guard), etc. The type of police could then be tagged as "operator=*" "police=station" should be defined as comprising all police stations of the lowest level, where you can turn to in case of an emergency, no matter whether the operating entity is formally a civil or a military one. Other areas or buildings, like barracks, ranges, administrative units etc. could then be tagged as "police=*" or "military=*", according to the classification of the operating force. Any thoughts on this? Best, Jan
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