Shoulders are a common feature on many roads. And the tagging for this is already established. Maybe a different way to tag kerb-less sidewalks thus would then be
shoulder=right shoulder:right:access=foot (or access no and ...:foot=designated?) shoulder:right:width=1 Though, in regards of software support, I my earlier suggestion is better, as no modification on existing software is necessary to understand that a sidewalk without kerb is still for pedestrians and used the same as a sidewalk, regardless of whether in (Oxford) English, one may or may not call this thing "sidewalk". (Existing) software will treat shoulders primarily as a feature relevant for cars. Tobias On October 21, 2019 9:40:03 AM GMT+02:00, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: >“Sidewalk” is North American English, but it’s used because the >British term is “pavement”, which is confusing due to its dual >meaning. As a North American I would expect it to be separated from >the road by a curb (kerb) or a strip of grass. > >Oxford dictionaries definition, Pavement: >"1. British A raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians at the >side of a road. >- ‘he fell and hit his head on the pavement’ >- North American term: sidewalk" >https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/pavement > >Wikipedia claims: >"... normally separated from the vehicular section by a curb. There >may also be a median strip or road verge (a strip of vegetation..." >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk > >These definitions fit my impression, as an American, that a "sidewalk" >is a separate feature, not part of the same paved road surface as the >main lanes of the highway. > >If there's just a painted line, we would normally call the space >between the line and the edge of the asphalt "the shoulder" of the >road in a rural area, or it can also be a "bike lane" if it's wide >enough and there are certain markings. > >So I'm in favor of a new key like pedestrian_lane=right/left/both, >rather than calling these a type of sidewalk > >- Joseph Eisenberg > >On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mateusz Konieczny ><matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: >> >> 20 Oct 2019, 19:08 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: >>> >>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 12:42, Tobias Zwick <o...@westnordost.de> >wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> How about: >>>> >>>> sidewalk=right >>>> sidewalk:right:kerb=no >>> >>> >>> I dislike using these tags for pedestrian lanes for the following >>> reasons (sorry if i repeat myself): >>> >>> * It doesn't make sense: if it doesn't have a kerb (or any other >>> physical barrier) it isn't a sidewalk. >> >> I am curious about opinion of a native speaker >> of British English. >> >> Are you maybe one? >> >> (Sorry for poor phrasing here, >> I tried to make it less aggressive and failed) >>> >>> * Blind people are able to make out a sidewalk, but not a pedestrian >lane. >> >> No one argues against tagging this info. >> We only disagree how it should be tagged. >>> >>> * It's misleading: Data users may not know the tag >>> sidewalk:right:kerb=no and thus may make wrong assumptions. For >>> example, a navigation application may guide a pedestrian along a >route >>> with only pedestrian lanes instead of safer route with sidewalks. >> >> And with a new incompatible tag >> routing software may guide along >> road without even such lane, instead of >> using route where at least pedestrian >> lanes are present. >> >> In both cases routing software would >> benefit from an upgrade. >>> >>> >>> * pedestrian_lane=<left/right/both> is simpler for mappers and data >users. >> >> Depends on whatever you consider >> it as a low quality sidewalk or >> a separate feature. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > >On 10/21/19, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 21. Oct 2019, at 08:51, Mateusz Konieczny ><matkoni...@tutanota.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am curious about opinion of a native speaker >>> of British English. >> >> >> while I am not, I’m pretty sure the British term is pavement, not >sidewalk >> (for the kerb separated way, no idea about the marking separated way) >> >> We had deliberately chosen the word sidewalk for OpenStreetMap >tagging >> because of the ambiguity of ”pavement “ >> >> Cheers Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > >_______________________________________________ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging