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Over 83% of the tagged 'place's have a name tag.
What kind of 'places' that don't have a name that will not be rendered
are there?
A quick look in Nigeria...
Some of these are hamlets, villages that can be mapped as
landuse=residential that will be rendered even without a name.
Some of these are islands/islets that can be mapped using the
surrounding water way that will be rendered even without a name.
So far I don't see much of a problem?
On 19/4/20 6:22 am, Hidde Wieringa wrote:
Hello,
This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case this is
the wrong place to post my question, feel free to point me to the
correct mailing list/forum.
I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository
(https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115) with
the question if places tagged with place=* but without a name could be
rendered. The follow-up pull request
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120 proposes
a rendering for unnamed places.
A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of rendering a
place without a name. This goes against the wiki
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) where the tag name=*
is marked as required. The first line in the wiki is /"Used to
indicate that a particular location is known by a particular name, to
indicate what sort of "place" it is. [...]"/. However indicating what
sort of place it is, does not require a name. Indicating that a place
of some sort exists at a certain location is also valuable data (a
quick count of Nigeria gives ~9800 nodes of places without a name
versus ~69000 nodes of places with a name).
I wish to question the assumption that every place always has or
requires a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github issue
(https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759)
indicates that there may indeed be small populated places without a
name, although larger populated places always have a name in practice.
Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not popular
will mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of that, mapped
places will usually not get a name (yet), because mappers are not
locally familiar with the place. The data is still useful for
humanitarian aid (for example see
https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria for
the many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving data in
Nigeria, in particular missing residential areas). Rendering these
places in a visual way makes using the data easier. Later, the unnamed
places could still be given a name by a mapper with that knowledge.
The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and may
be mapped when the name is unknown.
I am curious about further reactions on this topic.
Kind regards,
/Hidde Wieringa/
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