Hi Hidde, welcome, The wiki definition is « Used to indicate that a particular location is known by a particular name, to indicate what sort of "place" it is. A place tag should exist for every significant human settlements (city, town, suburb, etc.) and also for notable unpopulated, named places. »
So place is used to precise that : 1. there is place at this position or on this area 2. it has a name 3. to define what kind of place So by the definition I see no issue of having place without a name tag, as long as it has a name :) This is different than landuse for instance : A farm has the landuse farmyard, and may have other landuse like greenhouse_horticulture, plant_nursery, orchard, meadow, ... A barn alone or with some other building in the middle of a meadow can has landuse=farmyard but it’s not a farm, it could has a place=locality if it has a name. Le sam. 18 avr. 2020 à 22:23, Hidde Wieringa <hi...@hiddewieringa.nl> a écrit : > Hello, > > This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case this is the > wrong place to post my question, feel free to point me to the correct > mailing list/forum. > > I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository ( > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115) with the > question if places tagged with place=* but without a name could be > rendered. The follow-up pull request > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120 proposes a > rendering for unnamed places. > > A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of rendering a > place without a name. This goes against the wiki ( > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) where the tag name=* is > marked as required. The first line in the wiki is *"Used to indicate that > a particular location is known by a particular name, to indicate what sort > of "place" it is. [...]"*. However indicating what sort of place it is, > does not require a name. Indicating that a place of some sort exists at a > certain location is also valuable data (a quick count of Nigeria gives > ~9800 nodes of places without a name versus ~69000 nodes of places with a > name). > > I wish to question the assumption that every place always has or requires > a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github issue ( > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759) > indicates that there may indeed be small populated places without a name, > although larger populated places always have a name in practice. > > Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not popular will > mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of that, mapped places will > usually not get a name (yet), because mappers are not locally familiar with > the place. The data is still useful for humanitarian aid (for example see > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria for the > many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving data in Nigeria, in > particular missing residential areas). Rendering these places in a visual > way makes using the data easier. Later, the unnamed places could still be > given a name by a mapper with that knowledge. > > The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and may be > mapped when the name is unknown. > > I am curious about further reactions on this topic. > > Kind regards, > *Hidde Wieringa* > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux
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