Le mar. 21 avr. 2020 à 06:03, Warin <[email protected]> a écrit :
> On 21/4/20 5:31 am, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > Hi Hidde, welcome, > > The wiki definition is « Used to indicate that a particular location is > known by a particular name, to indicate what sort of "place" it is. A place > tag should exist for every significant human settlements (city, town, > suburb, etc.) and also for notable unpopulated, named places. » > > So place is used to precise that : > 1. there is place at this position or on this area > 2. it has a name > 3. to define what kind of place > > So by the definition I see no issue of having place without a name tag, as > long as it has a name :) > > Errr If it has a name, tag it. If you don't know its name then how do you > know it is a place? > Ask the mappers who do that, I guess that mapping a village or a town on remote you can guess it has a name without knowing it. > > This is different than landuse for instance : > A farm has the landuse farmyard, and may have other landuse like > greenhouse_horticulture, plant_nursery, orchard, meadow, ... > A barn alone or with some other building in the middle of a meadow can has > landuse=farmyard but it’s not a farm, it could has a place=locality if it > has a name. > > > If a building has a name then use the name tag on the building, do not add > a tag place=* to it! > I was talking about the place of the barn and around the barn, not the barn itself of course. > > > > Le sam. 18 avr. 2020 à 22:23, Hidde Wieringa <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> Hello, >> >> This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case this is the >> wrong place to post my question, feel free to point me to the correct >> mailing list/forum. >> >> I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository ( >> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115) with >> the question if places tagged with place=* but without a name could be >> rendered. The follow-up pull request >> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120 proposes a >> rendering for unnamed places. >> >> A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of rendering a >> place without a name. This goes against the wiki ( >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) where the tag name=* is >> marked as required. The first line in the wiki is *"Used to indicate >> that a particular location is known by a particular name, to indicate what >> sort of "place" it is. [...]"*. However indicating what sort of place it >> is, does not require a name. Indicating that a place of some sort exists at >> a certain location is also valuable data (a quick count of Nigeria gives >> ~9800 nodes of places without a name versus ~69000 nodes of places with a >> name). >> >> I wish to question the assumption that every place always has or requires >> a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github issue ( >> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759) >> indicates that there may indeed be small populated places without a name, >> although larger populated places always have a name in practice. >> >> Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not popular >> will mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of that, mapped places >> will usually not get a name (yet), because mappers are not locally familiar >> with the place. The data is still useful for humanitarian aid (for example >> see https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria for >> the many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving data in Nigeria, >> in particular missing residential areas). Rendering these places in a >> visual way makes using the data easier. Later, the unnamed places could >> still be given a name by a mapper with that knowledge. >> >> The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and may be >> mapped when the name is unknown. >> >> I am curious about further reactions on this topic. >> >> Kind regards, >> *Hidde Wieringa* >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Florimond Berthoux > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux
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