My thinking was more general, more along the lines of these old proposals Talk:Proposed features/hazard <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/hazard> i.e. a structured tagging appraoch for hazards of all types. For my taste "dooring" is one type of many that may be of interest to cyclists (incidently: the "dooring" hazard is a "cyclists-passing-close-by" hazard for motorists) I want to have easy means to find all hazards for cyclists an a given route, or also I want a router to be able to take into account the hazards when selecting a route. Maybe we should start out with a list of possible hazard types, to get a better feeling on how we should approach this.
On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 13:20, <lukas-...@web.de> wrote: > "highway=path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone > bicycle:doorzone=yes (the bicycle lane of the path,footway,cycleway is in > a doorzone) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw > <https://deref-web-02.de/mail/client/tX1wLGYFGQI/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mapillary.com%2Fmap%2Fim%2FewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw> > " > > I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a > foot:doorzone=yes, too, because when a sidewalk is in the parking car's > doorzone (I think most sidewalks next to parking:lane=parallel are), there > is hazard for pedestrians, too. It might be not soo dangerus because > pedestrians have much lower speed than cyclists often have, but if we want > to tag that hazard I think we would have to affect both, foot and bicycle. > > > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 05. Mai 2020 um 04:56 Uhr > *Von:* "Andrew Harvey" <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > *An:* "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 02:35, Jan Michel <j...@mueschelsoft.de> wrote: > >> On 03.05.20 19:16, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> > I would advocate a more generic approach that remains open to other >> > types of hazards (there are many, unfortunately). >> > A generic >> > >> hazard:bicycle=yes|dooring|pedestrians_on_cycleway|dangerous_exit|whatever >> >> I agree, but I would rather use >> cycleway:(left|right|both|):hazard >> 'hazard:bicycle' suggests that it is an hazard to all bicycles, but it's >> more like an hazard that is a "feature" of the cycleway. Everybody close >> to the cycleway is part of the hazard (whether active or passive) but >> bicycles in other places of the road are not affected. > > > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 04:33, Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You are right that in case of cycling infrastructure tagged on the road >> (like typically cycling lanes) we need a way to indicate to which part of >> the road it refers, in addition to the type of haxard. >> > > Agree with Volker here. > > cycleway:both:hazard becomes an issue when there are multiple hazards that > apply, so "doorzone" should be part of the key not the value. > > I originally proposed cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes but then since seeing > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw changed it to > cycleway:doorzone=yes, but based on what Volker has said about indicating > which part of the road it applies to maybe after all: > > cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes (both sides of the road have a > doorzone cyclelane) > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/MXuDWHZY_R9UkGcOk0FZUw > cycleway:lane:left:doorzone=yes (left side of the road has a doorzone > cyclelane) > cycleway:lane:right:doorzone=yes > > highway=path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone > bicycle:doorzone=yes (the bicycle lane of the path,footway,cycleway is in > a doorzone) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw > > The third scenario for dooring is just a regular road with no bicycle > infrastructure, but parked cars can still lead to dooring eg > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/6YlYnuZPdlziwUsF1m7yWA I guess in that > case where there is no bicycle infrastructure the dooring hazard should be > determined by a parking:lane:parallel=* and some kind of parking:lane > buffer tag? > > Are there any other scenarios where dooring is a hazard? > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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