"highway=path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone
bicycle:doorzone=yes (the bicycle lane of the path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw"
I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a foot:doorzone=yes, too, because when a sidewalk is in the parking car's doorzone (I think most sidewalks next to parking:lane=parallel are), there is hazard for pedestrians, too. It might be not soo dangerus because pedestrians have much lower speed than cyclists often have, but if we want to tag that hazard I think we would have to affect both, foot and bicycle.
Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Mai 2020 um 04:56 Uhr
Von: "Andrew Harvey" <[email protected]>
An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes
Von: "Andrew Harvey" <[email protected]>
An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 02:35, Jan Michel <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.05.20 19:16, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> I would advocate a more generic approach that remains open to other
> types of hazards (there are many, unfortunately).
> A generic
> hazard:bicycle=yes|dooring|pedestrians_on_cycleway|dangerous_exit|whatever
I agree, but I would rather use
cycleway:(left|right|both|):hazard
'hazard:bicycle' suggests that it is an hazard to all bicycles, but it's
more like an hazard that is a "feature" of the cycleway. Everybody close
to the cycleway is part of the hazard (whether active or passive) but
bicycles in other places of the road are not affected.
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 04:33, Volker Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote:
You are right that in case of cycling infrastructure tagged on the road (like typically cycling lanes) we need a way to indicate to which part of the road it refers, in addition to the type of haxard.
Agree with Volker here.
cycleway:both:hazard becomes an issue when there are multiple hazards that apply, so "doorzone" should be part of the key not the value.
I originally proposed cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes but then since seeing https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw changed it to cycleway:doorzone=yes, but based on what Volker has said about indicating which part of the road it applies to maybe after all:
cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes (both sides of the road have a doorzone cyclelane) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/MXuDWHZY_R9UkGcOk0FZUw
cycleway:lane:left:doorzone=yes (left side of the road has a doorzone cyclelane)
cycleway:lane:right:doorzone=yes
highway=path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone
bicycle:doorzone=yes (the bicycle lane of the path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw
The third scenario for dooring is just a regular road with no bicycle infrastructure, but parked cars can still lead to dooring eg https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/6YlYnuZPdlziwUsF1m7yWA I guess in that case where there is no bicycle infrastructure the dooring hazard should be determined by a parking:lane:parallel=* and some kind of parking:lane buffer tag?
Are there any other scenarios where dooring is a hazard?
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