On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 19:44, John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> > > Javbw > > On May 25, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > We do have that: `sac_scale=hiking` > > > And that is a good example of bad tagging I want to correct. > > There are more people walking local wilderness trails with their dog in a > single day than all “backpackers” on earth in a year. Few-to-none of these > are “day-hike” or “trekking” routes, yet they are most definitely “trails”. > I do not need to know the sac scale to tag it as a trail. > > And How are those routes “hiking”? There are plenty of trails not meant > for hiking. Hiking is a leisure pastime. A trail is type of way. > But how would you define what a trail is? Up in this thread Daniel noted some definitions, but I think that needs to be written up as a proposal for where it would apply. According to the Cambridge dictionary, a trail is "a path through a > countryside, mountain, or forest area, often made or used for a particular > purpose: > - a forest/mountain trail > - a walking/snowshoeing/cross-country skiing trail" > Other dictionaries use "beaten path", "a track made by passage especially > through a wilderness" or similar. > > To me, the main difference is between a beaten path vs a path that has > been purposely groomed. I can tag a track without defining it’s tracktype=* it’s a track - _and > then_ further defined by tracktype=* . > > Do I have to know the width to tag a road? Do I need to know the number of > stairs or the incline of the steps to tag it as steps? > > No. > > It’s a residential road. Steps. A cycleway. A trail. > > The attributes of the way do not define it as that type of way - a named > tag anyone can use does, including someone who can’t define its sac scale - > or has no idea what the heck that is. > > Trails should Have _never_ been lumped in with path. It was a _horrible_ > decision, like motorways and driveways sharing a main tag because cars use > both. > > At least sub-tagging them to be able to easily separate them _and then_, > when possible define further characteristics __when possible__ with more > specific tags, like sac scale. > I get your point, and agree, but for highway=footway there is a definition on the wiki of what that covers, same for cycleway, residential road, highway=track, etc. we don't just say tag a track as highway=track. For example around me a "Fire Trail" is tagged as highway=track, and a "Track" (as in a remote forest/bush walking path) is tagged as highway=footway/path (probably what you're proposing as "trail". So we need definitions that can be applied globally regardless of how things are locally known and across languages.
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