"It's only been used once so we shouldn't document it until it becomes popular"
Discuss and use by all means. Thank you for providing a copy-and-paste response :) On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, 13:44 Paul Allen, <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote: > Recently I was digging for some details of a farm I was mapping and came > across a map > of the locations of milk churn stands in the county of Ceredigion. It > struck me that we > should have a way of tagging mllk churn stands. > > They are platforms, usually constructed from bricks or concrete, > occasionally large > chunks of stone, sometimes made of wood, that are usually located near the > entrances to farms. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_churn_stand > and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Milk_churn_stands > > I consider them to be mappable because they can aid navigation and can be > used by > walkers as improvised tables/seats. Probably not worth rendering on the > standard > map but could be rendered by walking maps. > > They came into use in the 19th century and fell into disuse in the UK in > 1979 > when milk collection was entirely by tanker. Although the Wikipedia > article > mentions only the UK, they were in use in other parts of the world such as > Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Estonia. They may still be used in > 2nd or 3rd world countries. The purpose was for the farmer to place large > containers of milk on the stand to make it easier for them to be > transferred to a > cart (later lorry). Although no longer used in the countries already > mentioned, they > are unlikely to be removed because that would take time and money and > (usually) > nothing would be gained. > > My instinct would be to use man_made=milk_churn_stand. Checking with > taginfo shows this has already been used once. Overpass-turbo shows it > was used in Germany. I'm not entirely happy with "milk churn stand" even > though in British English the milk containers were known as "milk churns" > despite not being used to churn milk, but I can't think of anything better. > Etymology of the misleading name is here: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_churn > > The existing instance I found also included historic=yes. I don't consider > that should be used with most milk churn stands as it is not a synonym > for old or disused but means it is of historical significance (most of > these > are not). They should probably have disused=yes or a disused lifecycle > prefix (cue endless arguments about which) except in parts of the world > where they actually are still in use (if they are). > > Here's the map I found. It deals only with the county of Ceredigion and > the > person responsible has only dealt with about half of that county so far. > Until > and unless I can get a response from him I don't entirely trust the > accuracy > of his locations and wouldn't use them anyway because of copyright (unless > he gave permission and assurances of accuracy). But his map gives some > idea > of the ubiquity of these things. > > https://www.lookingformaps.com/mapa.php?mapa=Stondinau-Llaeth-Ceredigion-Milk-Stands-Dr-Roger-Owen-Prifysgol-Aberystwyth-Uni > Be patient, it takes a while for the map to load. > > Why do I bring all this up here? Because I'd like to document what tag(s) > to > use for milk churn stands. The person who mapped the German one as > man_made=milk_churn_stand says he mapped another one as > historic=milk_churn_stand because he wasn't sure of the best way to map > them. > > I know, this is going to trigger the usual chicken-and-egg arguments. > "It's only been > used once so we shouldn't use it" and "It's only been used once so we > shouldn't > document it until it becomes popular" to which I'll counter "If we don't > document > it then people will invent their own ways of tagging these things and > we'll end up > with the usual mess which we can't change because all the different ways of > mapping it are too widely used" and "it's not a key, it's just a value." > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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