Another illusion shattered... where is this world going to?

Best, Peter Elderson

> Op 19 okt. 2020 om 13:48 heeft Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> 
> It would be best to first consider the consequences of such a change. Weigh 
> the benefits against what we lose in time (humanhours?) and resources/energy. 
> And then there is still the point that many objects will get new timestamps 
> for a change that's not really a change.
> 
> Anyway, artificial sounds like made up to me. artificial=dyke, not really a 
> dyke, but it looks like it.
> 
> man_made has the advantage of being succinct. Most people will immediately 
> understand what is meant by it. Almost nobody will think women were not 
> involved in the creation of the feature.
> 
> Polyglot
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:42 PM Robert Delmenico <rob...@rtbk.com.au> wrote:
>> Nice investigating Nathan,
>> 
>> I would be open to using artificial instead of human_made.
>> 
>> 
>> Would it be best to change the proposal or start a second proposal?
>> Change man_made= to artificial=
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 21:14, nathan case <nathanc...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>> Pros and cons aside, “human-made” is not a term that is in current 
>>> widespread usage. As a native English GB speaker, I find it clunky and 
>>> somewhat distracting.
>>> 
>>> A better gender neutral term might be “artificial”, which is already a 
>>> synonym for “man-made” and is already widely used. 
>>> 
>>> Indeed, the Handbook of Nonsexist Writing suggests: "artificial, handmade, 
>>> hand-built, synthetic, manufactured, fabricated, machine-made, and 
>>> constructed" as options instead of man-made. Presumably the majority (if 
>>> not all) of OSM "man-made" tags relate to objects which are not naturally 
>>> occurring. Therefore "artificial" seems to hold.
>>> 
>>> Other sources: 
>>> https://writingcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/gender-inclusive-language/ 
>>> https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Usage/faq0053.html
>>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/man-made
>>> 
>>> An issue may arise if artificial is already being used as a tag however.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Nathan
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