I am a hiker and a climber, but I made experiences similar to Peter's on
more than one occasion. I have been led along ways by osmand which were
mapped as highway=path; obviously by other climbers. They were
definitely not suitable for folks without climbing experience that want
to go on a physically demanding hike, but don't want to die.
Imo, scramble would not only include via ferrata. There are many
paths/scrambles where via ferrata equipment is useless, but where you
will still very much need your hands and in many cases risk serious
injury or death if you fall. Yet, these kind of paths/scrambles are
often not considered "real climbing" in the narrower sense (mountaineers
would usually still go without rope).
On 15/09/2022 00:03, Peter Elderson wrote:
I am a hiker, not a climber. I remember lots of sections I would have avoided
if the map had shown them as scrambles. More adventurous people probably would
seek them out. I like this proposed highway value. I would probably apply it to
the actual scramble sections, though, not including path sections leading up to
the scramble part. Renderers can then show the actual scramble sections. For
routers, it doesn't really matter, because when a section of a path is a
scramble and you use say a no scramble profile, the route over the path will
get high penalty and will not gain preference.
If a sign says a path will make you scamble somewhere, map the sign and the
actual scramble(s), that's what I would do.
Peter Elderson
Op 14 sep. 2022 om 23:47 heeft martianfreeloader <[email protected]>
het volgende geschreven:
In the real world, you will *always* find borderline cases for *any* property.
I don't think it should be an argument against a good proposal. If it were,
then it could be used against literally *any* tag on osm. (and funnily it
reliably does come up with any new proposal)
On 14/09/2022 22:59, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
The main problem here is that different people will need (or do not need) to
use hands,
it also heavily depends on weather and other considtion
How we would deal with such borderline cases?
via ferrata value is far more likely to succeed and I would recommend trying to
get it first
Sep 14, 2022, 11:42 by [email protected]:
It is proposed to create the tag highway=scramble as a base tag for
hiking paths, where use of hands is required, be that for keeping
balance or be it for pulling up.
Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/highway%3Dscramble
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/highway%3Dscramble>
Thank you in advance
Asa
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