On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:31:34 +1100 Liz <[email protected]> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Mini_roundabouts > > "Mini-roundabouts can be a painted circle, a low dome, or often are > small garden beds. Painted roundabouts and low domes can easily be > driven over by most vehicles, which many motorists will do when there > is no other traffic, but the practice is dangerous if other cars are > present."
Right, 3/4 of that backs up what I'm saying. Yes it says small garden bed but further down in the same section it proceeds to eliminate it as a mini roundabout. > "Whilst it may be physically possible, it is illegal for vehicles > like cars, which can turn around the mini-roundabout, to go over the > painted island, or around the wrong way- vehicles should treat it > like a solid island and proceed around it. (In practice, few > motorists obey these rules). " This backs up what I'm saying exactly. Notice how they talk about it being physically possible for a normal car to go *over* the island. I challenge you to find an example in any of the pics of the roundabouts we've discussed where a conventional car can cross them in any manner at speed and not be significantly damaged. > When I read this I see that motorists may be found driving over these > things, but it's illegal; it's dangerous Yes, so, it's illegal and dangerous to go through a red light, but we map traffic signals. It is very useful however to know one is approaching a roundabout which DOESN'T have a centre island for exactly this reason however since there are drivers who will break the rules it helps to be fore-warned to be a little more careful. > "A slightly larger version of a mini-roundabout, sometimes called a > "small roundabout", is designed with a raised centre surrounded by a > sloped "overrun area" of a different colour from the roadway and up > to a meter in thickness called a "truck apron" or a "mountable > apron"." The wording in this sentence is inconsistent with the rest of the article, as further down in that same document it says: "The centre island also MUST BE ABLE TO BY OVER-RUN BY LARGE VEHICLES. If this is not possible, perhaps due to plants, or street furniture it is considered a small roundabout NOT A MINI ROUNDABOUT and as such must adhere to the stricter roundabout guidelines." (My emphasis added) It doesn't say parts of the centre island, it says THE center island. A little flange is not the whole center island. And I fully suspect the roundabouts in the area where you put a mini in the other day that there was no flange there anyway, so it's a little academic in those cases. And did you know how the sentence I quoted indicates a small roundabout is NOT a mini roundabout. So the text of the document is doubtful at bet. I challenge you to find a picture posted by someone NOT furthering this lists mini_roundabout agenda that show a mini with a raised centre island. English wikipedia won't help you, neither will the german one, nor will the OSM Wiki. -- =b _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
