No probs david, and you'll be getting plenty of input from me, watch out ;-)

A draft would be great. Let me know when it's ready to review.

Li.

On 05/11/2012, at 9:10 AM, David Bannon wrote:

> 
> Thanks Li, I have not put that proposal up yet, waiting on a response to a 
> related matter. Soon.
> 
> And when I do, I'll not be wanting just your vote, it will be your input I 
> will really need !
> 
> Maybe I should put a draft up on my personal page while we wait ?
> 
> David
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Li Xia" <[email protected]>
> 
> To:
> "David Bannon" <[email protected]>
> Cc:
> "OSM Australian Talk List" <[email protected]>
> Sent:
> Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:37:52 +1100
> Subject:
> Re: 4WD only tags
> 
> 
> Hi David, although my opinion is that most render's try to simplify the the 
> stylesheet so the map for ease of comprehension and would not make use of 
> these additional attributes, I see your point and agree that it's useful data 
> to have. Since my company focuses on 4WD maps and navigation, we will 
> certainly take full advantage of this.
> 
> BTW, do you have the link to the proposal page? Will go and cast a vote.
> 
> Li.
> 
> On 04/11/2012, at 2:41 PM, David Bannon wrote:
> 
>  
> Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, 
> so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way.
> 
> The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am 
> concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines 
> are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are 
> ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen.
> 
> The routing people are saying "but these tags don't even show on the OSM 
> maps, why should we worry ?". 
> 
> And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't 
> think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into -
> 
> * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better 
> still) an SUV but you have been warned.
> 
> * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio.
> 
> * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and 
> modified vehicles. This is a recent addition !
> 
> I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some 
> driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Li Xia" <[email protected]>
> 
> To:
> "David Bannon" <[email protected]>
> Cc:
> "OSM Australian Talk List" <[email protected]>
> Sent:
> Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100
> Subject:
> 4WD only tags
> 
> 
> Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags.
> 
> By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind 
> of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, 
> therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the 
> issue. 
> 
> Li.
> 

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