& again... Lists of rest areas Oz wide: http://www.thegreynomads.com.au/planning/where-to-camp/rest-areas/
Thanks Graeme On 19 April 2017 at 13:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > In Qld at least, overnight camping is not permitted in a lot of rest areas > as they are intended for heavy vehicles, & where private vehicles are > allowed to stop overnight, the maximum stay is 20 hours, so there's no one > size fit's all answer. > > They do provide details of where all the rest areas are & what is allowed, > along with maps: https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/guide-to- > queensland-roads > > We *may* even be able to use them under CC-BY-3.0 AU? > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/ > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On 19 April 2017 at 11:57, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 19-Apr-17 11:10 AM, David Bannon wrote: >> >> Warin, I am not sure I agree. >> >> There are a number of what are officially Rest Areas that are set up, >> used and officially blessed as camp sites. Now the term "Camp Site" might >> mean different things to different people. To people with a caravan or >> motor home, and there are a lot of them, a camp site is somewhere to camp >> with their caravan or motor home. >> >> >> These should be tagged as both a rest area and a 'caravan site'. >> I have used 'rest areas' for camping .. even where I was not certain of >> the official over night use, when the need arises. >> Usually I try to pick my overnight spots .. sometimes things change and I >> have to take what I can get. >> >> >> I'm sorry (for you) that so many of them are not suitable for a tent but >> the truth is there is a big demand from caravan (camper, motor home etc) >> users and an inability to distinguish between sites that make good camp >> sites and ones that don't would be a problem. >> >> >> Err OSM does distinguish between camp/tent site and caravan site .. even >> the usually render has different symbols for them. >> tourism=camp_site >> tourism= caravan_site >> >> Most if not all Australian sites cater for both. Free sites may only >> cater for one type though. >> Where a site is unsuitable for tents .. then it should clearly be tagged >> as a caravan site. And vice versa. >> >> >> IMHO, we are talking about "camp sites" as somewhere you camp, if it is >> unsuitable for a tent in your opinion, then a tag saying just that may be >> appropriate. Importantly, you would be allowed erect a tent, even if you >> would be uncomfortable doing so. >> >> >> Some 'rest areas' do not officially allow over night stays. Some have no >> area suitable for driving in tent pegs. >> >> >> Worth noting that the division between a tent and a caravan is possibly >> vague, while the majority of campers on the road (excluding xmas and easter >> time) are in recognizably caravans, there are various "campers" that >> involve canvas, some where that canvas hits the ground, at what point does >> that become a tent ? >> >> >> Caravans like a 'hard standing'. >> Tent people like soft ground .. easier to drive in tent pegs as well as a >> softer surface. >> An area that gets used by caravans gets the soil compressed to such a >> degree that it becomes very difficult to drive in tent pegs .. sometimes I >> feel I should be carrying a drill to make a hole first. :) >> >> I have re-tagged this one .. >> Node: Sutton Park Rest Area (1811197082) >> as there should be no overnight here ... >> https://www.caravancaravan.com.au/entity/sutton-park-rest-area/nsw >> >> It does look suitable for both tents and caravans. But officially no. See >> how that goes? >> >> I do think these things probably predate the rest area tagging and >> probably the caravan tagging too. >> Changing them to rest area tagging is, I think, more appropriate as that >> is what they are officially. >> Some have water, toilets .. those can be additional tags as can the >> caravan/camping information. >> >> >> >> On 19/04/17 08:54, Warin wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> I have seen a few roadside 'rest areas' tagged in OSM as camp sites. >> >> At least some of these are not suitable for pitching a tent .. so they >> are not camp sites. >> >> At best they could be used by a caravan/RV ... but not a tent user (I am >> a tent user). >> >> If the intention was to indicate there use by caravan/RV then they should >> be tagged as 'tourism=caravan_site'. >> >> >> There now exists a tag 'highway=rest_area'. >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area >> >> >> I think the tag 'highway=rest_area' should replace those 'rest areas' now >> tagged as 'camp sites', this would be closer to the truth. >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> >
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