I'm a Perth cyclist and I occasionally use www.opencyclemap.org when I'm planning a ride through an unfamiliar area. I think the bicycle routes in question are what's shown there but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway I've found them pretty useful on occasion.
I also occasionally use the signage to find better cycling routes. It's not perfect but it's often a useful way to get yourself off a busy road. Anyway I'm not totally convinced one way or the other regarding the removal, but just wanted to offer the perspective of a (very) occasional user of that data. A mass deletion seems a bit heavy handed to me. Cheers John On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:01, Luke Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > With their reasons for deletion: > > "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any > dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across > Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows, > however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes. > > "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the > responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has > been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely > maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage > is also not always maintained properly in my experience. > > "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these > routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the > route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road > cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself > following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change > the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to > cater for these routes. > > "The routes are circuitous" - see above > > "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the > OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then > routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think > that outright deletion is warranted > > Cheers, > Luke > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, he has answered a changeset comment: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 >> >> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply >> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the >> ground, and what to do about it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Collinson <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 >> >> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. >> >> >> On 2022-02-10 18:13, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > Probably >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta >> > >> > Who is Aaronsta? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? >> >> >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G >> >> uidelines >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ >> >> Guidelines&type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661> >> >> &type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet >> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 >> >> To: OSM-Au <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki >> >> <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been >> >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for >> >> the current revision. >> >> >> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about >> >> these changes? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: >> >> >> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? >> >> >> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle >> >> >> >> >> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path >> >> >> >> >> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. >> >> >> >> You must: >> >> >> >> * keep left and give way to all pedestrians >> >> * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. >> >> >> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Talk-au mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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