Thanks all! Yeah, the various wiki comments re size as always are very European & don't suit Oz conditions.
I think that place=farm + name=* seems to be the way to go, so I'll test that & see how it works? One of the factors in OP making them hamlets could have been that that will render, so will have to see if =farm does as well? Thanks Graeme On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 18:39, cleary <[email protected]> wrote: > > Generally, I would suggest a node at the hub of the farm (usually in the > vicinity of the main residence) > place=farm > name=* > operator=* > > In regard to farm boundaries, I think it has been OSM practice not to map > lot/property boundaries. > > Most farms today don't employ many people and employees frequently live in > nearby towns etc. so place=farm is appropriate. In more isolated areas, > some very large farms may still accommodate workers and sometimes their > families - in such cases place=isolated_dwelling might be appropriate as I > think it implies a larger population than a farm. I'd suggest that it has > many years since Australian farms had enough residents to be considered as > hamlets. In fact, increasingly farms have no residents. In some cases > multiple farms are operated from a single homestead but, if each farm is > separately named, I think each should still be separately mapped. Farms > with animals such as dairy cattle or poultry etc may need people on site > overnight but grazing cattle and crops such as cotton/wheat/rice etc may > not need people in the immediate vicinity - and security cameras and alarms > are increasingly used so that people can go to off-farm homes at night. The > "homestead" may become an administrative office plus staff facilities when > there is no-one resident on the property. > > In some cases, where public roads go through farms (usually cattle grids > and signs at the respective boundaries), I have added is_in:farm=* on the > section of road that is within the particular farm, but the "is_in" tag > seems now less used than in the past. Perhaps there is a case for mapping > lot/property boundaries where the properties are very large farms but I > will leave that for others to advocate. In South Australia's pastoral > district, each farm has its own "suburb" boundaries in the official > government suburb/locality database - but I am not aware of any farm > boundaries designated in this way in any other state. > > > > > On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, at 3:27 PM, Bob Cameron wrote: > > Remote areas and larger farms generally have been troubling me too > > Graeme. I make no distinction about numbers of people, just a > > landuse=farm node. (so I copied a very prolific mapper!) Recently I > > noted that landuse:farm has been deprecated and to use > > landuse:farmland, but that complains about being a node. There is no > > easy way to define a farm boundary. I think in terms of the mailbox, > > driveway and largest concentration of activity being the node centre. > > > > And the name is the farm name, not the house name.. maybe! > > > > Remote cattle stations can support an extended family (in more than one > > homestead) and other many onsite (staff) people. Are the working farm > > staff include in any people sizing calculations? ouch! > > > > Personally I don't think it a good idea to tag a farm that creates > > commercial income with any notion of the number of people. It gets a > > bit blurry when it is an unusual group like a religious order or non > > profit retreat, but they already have other tags. > > > > Cheers Bob > > > > On 22/4/22 14:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Also bringing discussion out here from Discord. > >> > >> An anonymous user is hitting Notes with quite a few entries yesterday > to say that remote homesteads are incorrectly tagged as hamlets eg > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3145380, but looking at this > particular place > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=1829712552#map=17/-21.96106/148.80882, > I'd say that "hamlet" was probably correct in that there could well be a > couple of families living there? > >> > >> Other suggestions that have been made are place=isolated_dwelling or > place=farm. > >> > >> Bit of a grey area, I guess? Isolated-dwelling says 1-2 families only, > hamlet says 100-200 people, while place=farm says "a family of farmers". > Guess it really depends on the particular property involved, which would > require detailed local knowledge? > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Graeme > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-au mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-au mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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