On 22/9/23 16:37, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Hi Folks,
Personally, I believe if the managing agency requests that the tracks
be removed from the map then as good corporate citizens we should do
everything possible to lower the promotion of such tracks. Track
managers also have a responsibility to also actively advise people and
if the area is high use then signage and rehabilitation at the
locations will help.
Track rehabilitation, even when undertaken actively, can take many,
many years and there will likely be remains of the
closed/abandoned/rehabilitated tracks showing in some environments, on
some imagery, for an extended period of time.
I don’t believe that the abandoned or disused tags adequately reflect
the desire of the managers but it is supported by some. Some users may
see those tags as an ‘opportunity’ to reopen the track and promote use
back to previous levels and they may do this without the backing of
the agency.
In a nutshell, in this instance, they are asking for folks to stop
going there. I also feel that if a track has active rehabilitation
being undertaken then a better tag would be
rehabilitated:highway=/type/ along with access=no. Many such tracks
will get limited rehabilitation at the ‘take off points’ only and the
rest of the track will be left to very slowly rehabilitate, maybe with
some occasional bars to impede water flow and allow buildup of debris.
Again, it will take many years for full rehabilitation to take place.
So my view is…
* If you *cant* see the track on the imagery – delete it.
* If you can see the track in imagery – then tag it appropriately to
discourage use as per the managers desire. Also work with the
managers to actively close the tracks if you desire. Obviously if
you are concerned on the tagging then its also likely that the
area is a favourite place for you. Work with the managers!
* Work with and encourage app developers to ensure suitably tagged
tracks do not appear on public maps
Cheers – Phil (aka tastracks)
A path near me has a sign saying track closed... been there for quite a
while. Some bicycle riders have taken to that track, modifying it for
their use since that sign was put up. The sign is now being vandalized
and will soon be gone. The sign is at the top, there is no sign at the
bottom, the bicycle riders come down hill at speed, I like to walk up as
it suits a circuit I do. I have removed a centre section of the track.
In other places there are signs stating bicycle riders are to stick to
management trails (ie for motor vehicles, not walking paths) and the
fines are ~$3,000 ... yet to see any effort to really close that track
nor any policing.. If they had taken action to actual close the track
with barricades I'd have more respect and would map it as 'disused'..
but this is simple stupidity and I'll be leaving the path in OSM.
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