So we say the same: for actual trip planning you need a time table. But of course with the current OSM data you can see which bus you have to take, which is an important first step
regards m On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > Say you have an app like Opentripplanner, the time tables are available > there, but where the bus passes geographically is contained in the OSM > route relations. Whether this is important or not, is another matter. It > isn' t so much for routing, but it is if you want to be able to draw a map > like the one you can find in this article: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Wouters > > The bus routes are in pink, almost invisible as they are only of limited > importance to the subject or the theme of the map. But on this page it is > interesting to be able to see them, as I added descriptions about how to > get to given points on the actual route: > > http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ad%27s_Path > > Cheers, > > Jo > > > 2014-08-21 9:17 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <[email protected]>: > > I'll agree that the things mentioned in the picture are often >> micromapping. But on the other hand how does an international app knows all >> this when there is no OSM+ database that contains all this country specific >> information ? >> >> I keep on wondering how useful the routes are for routing without >> timetables. An application that wants to give me the opportunity to plan my >> travel via public transportation needs this I think. It's of little use to >> tell me that I can arrive at my destination on a Sunday with bus X when >> that bus only passes there on weekdays. >> But of course, this is a totally different problem/discussion. >> >> regards >> >> m >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> All bus stops of De Lijn have timetable information, so I don't see why >>> we'd map that explicitely. I think the same goes for TEC. Even the stops of >>> TEC I can verify in Flanders have timetables. >>> >>> Sometimes the name is present in big letters on the shelter. I don't see >>> why we'd map that either. A €10000 pole with real time information does >>> seem interesting to tag, although they don't work more than half the time... >>> >>> Another tag that might make sense for a shelter is lit=yes. Some >>> shelters, at least in Flanders, have solar panels on top and when it gets >>> dark a small lamp can turn on when somebody moves around in the shelter. >>> Still, even that is much detail with very little benefit, except maybe for >>> those who are into statistics. If we'd ever manage to actually map all of >>> those. >>> >>> Anyway, I'm mostly interested in adding information to stops, so they >>> can be identified for use in route relations and to indicate whether there >>> are facilities for disabled people, but that is rather detail to be added >>> to the highway=platform/public_transport=platform way. >>> >>> tactile_paving and wheelchair. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jo >>> >>> >>> 2014-08-21 7:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Just to make it clear: the picture is not about tagging bus lines, it's >>>> about tagging bus stops. You refer to a page on the routes. >>>> Furthermore. it was not a question, I just found it a nice summary for >>>> what's in the wiki (probably somewhere under the public transport pages). >>>> Hence the smiley in the subject :-) >>>> There were a couple of tags that I had not heard of before (strip and >>>> the ones related to the time table and other information in the shelter). I >>>> doubt this information can be found in the Belgian (part of the) wiki. This >>>> does not always follows the evolution of the other communities. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:42 AM, André Pirard <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-08-20 07:40, Marc Gemis wrote : >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/JLZIMMERMANN/status/501356038499868672/photo/1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The answers to those questions about our conventions should be found >>>>> here, Marc >>>>> WikiProject Belgium/Conventions/Bus and tram lines (tagging) >>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_and_tram_lines#Tagging> >>>>> so that anybody can tag without asking the same questions and getting >>>>> the same or different answers over and over again. >>>>> I had to made modifications to those few lines for readability. >>>>> But there was no answer when I tried to raise a discussion about >>>>> missing, essential infos. >>>>> >>>>> Mainly, how must a route extension (optional detour) be represented >>>>> (unclear "(at least) two separate type >>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type>=route >>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Droute> relations")? >>>>> Must the detour (e.g. a small loop that some but not all buses follow) >>>>> be represented standing alone (A - B - D - E and B - C - D) or must the >>>>> whole route be repeated with and without the extension (A - B - D - E and >>>>> A >>>>> - B - C - D - E) >>>>> The problem is that let us say 3 extensions potentially make 8 whole >>>>> routes. >>>>> Also, if the extension is at the end of the line (A - B - D - E [- >>>>> F]), is it OK to represent the route only once (A - B - C - D - E - F)? >>>>> >>>>> André. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-be mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-be mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> >> >
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