Yes, that's the big question mark for the event ! We'll hope to attract people with such knowledge and/or hope to find the information online somehow !
That's one of the reason we decided not to edit OpenStreetMap directly during the event ! Jonathan Beliën Mar 11 févr 2020, à 12:18, Jo a écrit : > I think the hardest part is figuring out what the name stands for if it is a > former maire of the city or commune. Especially if we only have an initial > for the first name. Sometimes it is possible to find this information on the > internet, often it isn't. > > Do we have a way to look into the city's archives? > > Jo > > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Jonathan Beliën <l...@jbelien.be> wrote: >> __ >>> Given this workflow, I wonder whether we can drop the focus on Wikipedia >>> (to save work/time): 1) If there is an existing Wikipedia page, it will >>> probably already be linked to the corresponding Wikidata item. 2) If we put >>> a Wikidata tag on a street in OSM, I personally see no reason to add a >>> Wikipedia tag as well, as the Wikipedia page can be found through the >>> Wikidata item (I now not all data consumers will work like that, but I feel >>> they should be educated to do so J ) >> >> Yes, I thought about adding the `wikipedia` tag if there is a Wikipedia page >> but no wikidata "page" but we could indeed add the `wikipedia` tag even if >> we have the `wikidata` tag ! >> >>> I guess the link between OSM street and Wikidata item for that street will >>> be done beforehand (automagically)? In that case, we could really focus on >>> the people behind the street names and only fill in the >>> name:etymology:wikidata tag in OSM and/or the ‘named after’ statement in >>> Wikidata. >> >> Indeed, automagically but (very) carefully ! >> Exact process is not defined yet, I'll consult all of you to find the best >> way to do that properly ! >> Addition of the tags in OSM will be done no matter what AFTER the event but >> the participant will have access to that information to help them in their >> research of course. >> >>> I suppose the participants of the workshop will also have an option to >>> indicate 1) is this street named after a person (y/n) 2) which gender does >>> the person have (m/f/don’t know) >> >> You suppose correctly ! >> We'll get all those information during the event ! >> But the final process will get the gender from the wikidata "page" (if there >> is a wikidata "page" for every person that have a street with their name). >> >> Thanks for the feedback ! >> >> Jonathan Beliën >> >> >> Mar 11 févr 2020, à 10:56, Santens Seppe a écrit : >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> Workflow sounds good! >>> If I may, a few remarks: >>> · Given this workflow, I wonder whether we can drop the focus on Wikipedia >>> (to save work/time): 1) If there is an existing Wikipedia page, it will >>> probably already be linked to the corresponding Wikidata item. 2) If we put >>> a Wikidata tag on a street in OSM, I personally see no reason to add a >>> Wikipedia tag as well, as the Wikipedia page can be found through the >>> Wikidata item (I now not all data consumers will work like that, but I feel >>> they should be educated to do so J ) >>> · I guess the link between OSM street and Wikidata item for that street >>> will be done beforehand (automagically)? In that case, we could really >>> focus on the people behind the street names and only fill in the >>> name:etymology:wikidata tag in OSM and/or the ‘named after’ statement in >>> Wikidata. >>> · I suppose the participants of the workshop will also have an option to >>> indicate 1) is this street named after a person (y/n) 2) which gender does >>> the person have (m/f/don’t know) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Seppe >>> >>> >>> *Van:* Jonathan Beliën [mailto:l...@jbelien.be] >>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 11 februari 2020 10:16 >>> *Aan:* talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open >>> Data >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I just find out about this discussion and realize we are currently doing >>> the work twice ! >>> >>> The initial (and main) goal of the project is indeed to link streets in >>> Brussels from OpenStreetMap with the wikidata "page" of the person present >>> in the streetname ! >>> >>> >>> BUT we got in contact with Romain (Wikimedia Belgium) and he told us that >>> he is working on creating a wikidata "page" for all the streets in Brussels >>> and that his works is almost complete ! >>> So we added that part in our Equal Street Names project ! >>> >>> >>> For every street in Brussels, we'll add the `wikidata` tag and the >>> `name:etymology:wikidata` ! >>> >>> My workflow is the following : >>> * Make the list of streets in Brussels ; >>> * Since almost all the streets have an `associatedStreet` relation in >>> Brussels, I'll start with that and add the streets missing ; >>> * Take the already existing `wikidata` and `name:etymology:wikidata` >>> tags that already exist (on both relations and ways) ; >>> * Romain will provide us the `wikidata` tag for all the streets ; >>> * Next Monday (17/02), we (OSMBE + OKBE + WikimediaBE) organize and event >>> to look for all the missing wikidata/wikipedia page related to the streets >>> in Brussels ; >>> * Workload will be splitted by municipality ; >>> * NOTHING will be added to OSM or Wikipedia/Wikidata during the event ; >>> * Once we have the `wikidata` and/org `name:etymology:wikidata` tags for >>> each street in Brussels, we'll add those 2 tags to OSM ; >>> * Exact procedure is not defined yet ; >>> * Procedure will be documented and we'll ask feedback from the community >>> BEFORE running it ; >>> Everything will be documented in a GitHub repository and on OSM wiki (as >>> soon as I have a little time) ! >>> >>> Long story short, any feedback is more than welcome but let's not step upon >>> each other and try to coordinate our effort ! >>> I've been hired by Open Knowledge Belgium to work on that project. >>> >>> Have a nice day ! >>> >>> Jonathan Beliën >>> >>> >>> Mar 11 févr 2020, à 09:06, Jo a écrit : >>>> OK, in that case, we'll have to go back to the original source, Urbis if >>>> we want to add coordinates for the streets to Wikidata. >>>> >>>> I always thought that if I'm the one who adds features to OSM myself, or >>>> if I'm the one who places them at their correct spot, using aerial imagery >>>> that the data was mine and I could contribute it to Wikidata, if that >>>> pleases me. But maybe I shouldn't link back to OSM in that case in the >>>> reference url. >>>> >>>> Seppe, Joost and Jonathan's project is about linking through >>>> name:etymology:wikidata to persons, and add those persons to Wikidata if >>>> they don't exist there yet. No addition of geodata involved in that case. >>>> >>>> I know that Romaine has the wish for several years now, to add the streets >>>> of Brussels themselves to Wikidata. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jo >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:56 AM Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > About the geocoding. If I look at the street in my JOSM, then create a >>>>> > node somewhere in the center of it and then add the coordinates of that >>>>> > node to Wikidata, did I violate any rights? If it does, we could use >>>>> > Urbis data to source coordinates for the whereabouts of the street. I'm >>>>> > not using any nodes of the street itself. I do try to link back to >>>>> > openstreetmap (one of the ways or associatedStreet relation) in the >>>>> > reference url field. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, that is a derivative database. You look at OSM data, apply some >>>>> algorithm and create new data. >>>>> AFAIK, the project that Seppe, Joost and Jonathan have will not add >>>>> such data, but if you want to do it, you might contact the LWG to be >>>>> sure it's OK. I doubt it is. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> m. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-be mailing list >>>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >
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