That’s indeed the (fun) challenge ☺ Luckily, there are already some good sources available. Two I’ve used:
· for some of the municipalities, Wikipedia offers a lot of information, see e.g. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_rues_de_Schaerbeek · http://www.irismonument.be often has good info, e.g. http://www.irismonument.be/nl.Elsene.Francois_Stroobantstraat.html http://www.irismonument.be/fr.Ixelles.Rue_Francois_Stroobant.html (you can just enter the street name in their search box) Seppe Van: Jonathan Beliën [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2020 12:23 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open Data Yes, that's the big question mark for the event ! We'll hope to attract people with such knowledge and/or hope to find the information online somehow ! That's one of the reason we decided not to edit OpenStreetMap directly during the event ! Jonathan Beliën Mar 11 févr 2020, à 12:18, Jo a écrit : I think the hardest part is figuring out what the name stands for if it is a former maire of the city or commune. Especially if we only have an initial for the first name. Sometimes it is possible to find this information on the internet, often it isn't. Do we have a way to look into the city's archives? Jo On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Jonathan Beliën <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Given this workflow, I wonder whether we can drop the focus on Wikipedia (to save work/time): 1) If there is an existing Wikipedia page, it will probably already be linked to the corresponding Wikidata item. 2) If we put a Wikidata tag on a street in OSM, I personally see no reason to add a Wikipedia tag as well, as the Wikipedia page can be found through the Wikidata item (I now not all data consumers will work like that, but I feel they should be educated to do so ☺ ) Yes, I thought about adding the `wikipedia` tag if there is a Wikipedia page but no wikidata "page" but we could indeed add the `wikipedia` tag even if we have the `wikidata` tag ! I guess the link between OSM street and Wikidata item for that street will be done beforehand (automagically)? In that case, we could really focus on the people behind the street names and only fill in the name:etymology:wikidata tag in OSM and/or the ‘named after’ statement in Wikidata. Indeed, automagically but (very) carefully ! Exact process is not defined yet, I'll consult all of you to find the best way to do that properly ! Addition of the tags in OSM will be done no matter what AFTER the event but the participant will have access to that information to help them in their research of course. I suppose the participants of the workshop will also have an option to indicate 1) is this street named after a person (y/n) 2) which gender does the person have (m/f/don’t know) You suppose correctly ! We'll get all those information during the event ! But the final process will get the gender from the wikidata "page" (if there is a wikidata "page" for every person that have a street with their name). Thanks for the feedback ! Jonathan Beliën Mar 11 févr 2020, à 10:56, Santens Seppe a écrit : Hi Jonathan, Workflow sounds good! If I may, a few remarks: • Given this workflow, I wonder whether we can drop the focus on Wikipedia (to save work/time): 1) If there is an existing Wikipedia page, it will probably already be linked to the corresponding Wikidata item. 2) If we put a Wikidata tag on a street in OSM, I personally see no reason to add a Wikipedia tag as well, as the Wikipedia page can be found through the Wikidata item (I now not all data consumers will work like that, but I feel they should be educated to do so ☺ ) • I guess the link between OSM street and Wikidata item for that street will be done beforehand (automagically)? In that case, we could really focus on the people behind the street names and only fill in the name:etymology:wikidata tag in OSM and/or the ‘named after’ statement in Wikidata. • I suppose the participants of the workshop will also have an option to indicate 1) is this street named after a person (y/n) 2) which gender does the person have (m/f/don’t know) Cheers, Seppe Van: Jonathan Beliën [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2020 10:16 Aan: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open Data Hello everyone, I just find out about this discussion and realize we are currently doing the work twice ! The initial (and main) goal of the project is indeed to link streets in Brussels from OpenStreetMap with the wikidata "page" of the person present in the streetname ! BUT we got in contact with Romain (Wikimedia Belgium) and he told us that he is working on creating a wikidata "page" for all the streets in Brussels and that his works is almost complete ! So we added that part in our Equal Street Names project ! For every street in Brussels, we'll add the `wikidata` tag and the `name:etymology:wikidata` ! My workflow is the following : * Make the list of streets in Brussels ; * Since almost all the streets have an `associatedStreet` relation in Brussels, I'll start with that and add the streets missing ; * Take the already existing `wikidata` and `name:etymology:wikidata` tags that already exist (on both relations and ways) ; * Romain will provide us the `wikidata` tag for all the streets ; * Next Monday (17/02), we (OSMBE + OKBE + WikimediaBE) organize and event to look for all the missing wikidata/wikipedia page related to the streets in Brussels ; * Workload will be splitted by municipality ; * NOTHING will be added to OSM or Wikipedia/Wikidata during the event ; * Once we have the `wikidata` and/org `name:etymology:wikidata` tags for each street in Brussels, we'll add those 2 tags to OSM ; * Exact procedure is not defined yet ; * Procedure will be documented and we'll ask feedback from the community BEFORE running it ; Everything will be documented in a GitHub repository and on OSM wiki (as soon as I have a little time) ! Long story short, any feedback is more than welcome but let's not step upon each other and try to coordinate our effort ! I've been hired by Open Knowledge Belgium to work on that project. Have a nice day ! Jonathan Beliën Mar 11 févr 2020, à 09:06, Jo a écrit : OK, in that case, we'll have to go back to the original source, Urbis if we want to add coordinates for the streets to Wikidata. I always thought that if I'm the one who adds features to OSM myself, or if I'm the one who places them at their correct spot, using aerial imagery that the data was mine and I could contribute it to Wikidata, if that pleases me. But maybe I shouldn't link back to OSM in that case in the reference url. Seppe, Joost and Jonathan's project is about linking through name:etymology:wikidata to persons, and add those persons to Wikidata if they don't exist there yet. No addition of geodata involved in that case. I know that Romaine has the wish for several years now, to add the streets of Brussels themselves to Wikidata. Cheers, Jo On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:56 AM Marc Gemis <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > About the geocoding. If I look at the street in my JOSM, then create a node > somewhere in the center of it and then add the coordinates of that node to > Wikidata, did I violate any rights? If it does, we could use Urbis data to > source coordinates for the whereabouts of the street. I'm not using any nodes > of the street itself. I do try to link back to openstreetmap (one of the ways > or associatedStreet relation) in the reference url field. > IMHO, that is a derivative database. You look at OSM data, apply some algorithm and create new data. AFAIK, the project that Seppe, Joost and Jonathan have will not add such data, but if you want to do it, you might contact the LWG to be sure it's OK. 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