Question urgencs, on doit aussi se demander quelles seraient les clés à ajouter
pour bien décrire les difficutés rencontrées sur ces route- surface - minimum
4x4 ou pickup?- sécurité vs véhicules lourds- approvisionnements et essence
souvent absents
Pierre
De : James <[email protected]>
À : Michael Zajac <[email protected]>
Cc : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <[email protected]>
Envoyé le : Dimanche 26 juin 2016 17h35
Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] aerial imagery for missing roads
I agree with Michael. What happens if fire services need to use that road or
emergency services like ambulence etc. It should be the application's job to
determine in which condition a road should or shouldnt be used, not the mappers
job to obfuscate the mapOn Jun 25, 2016 4:01 PM, "Michael Zajac"
<[email protected]> wrote:
The map shows what’s there. Hopefully it can also show private- or
public-access status, but its job is not to babysit potential trespassers by
keeping parts of the landscape secret.
Stewart C. Russell [mailto:[email protected]] wrote:
> Most logging roads, certainly in BC, are private. While they look large, and
> make tempting additions to the map, accidentally routing traffic along them
> could be fatal. Logging trucks don't (can't!) stop, and unless you have
> authorization and the right radio to call in the checkpoints, the controller
> won't be able to tell you if there's a truck coming that you need to get out
> of the way of.
>
> CanVec also mistakenly digitized a bunch of private wind farm access roads in
> Ontario, such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39334427 .
>
> While using these might not be life-threatening, it is trespassing to use
> them.
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> From: Alan Richards <[email protected]>
> To: Martijn van Exel <[email protected]>, Kevin Farrugia
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] aerial imagery for missing roads
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> Most forest service roads in BC are not private. They may be built by private
> logging companies and may occasionally be gated, but the majority are on
> crown land and are open for recreational use. Road conditions vary wildly and
> roads are often unmaintained if active logging is not in progress in the area.
> While I agree that typically these roads should not be used for typical
> intercity routing, they are often used for recreation, hunting, fishing etc.
>
> Alan (alarobric)
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> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:59 AM -0700, "Martijn van Exel" <[email protected]>
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> Interesting, that seems to be worth a look! Do you happen to know who these
> open data people are? Do similar open data groups / people exist in other
> provinces?
> Martijn
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Kevin Farrugia <[email protected]> wrote:
> Morning everyone,
> I was looking at information on one of the Province's imagery programs
> (SWOOP:
> https://dr6j45jk9xcmk.cloudfront.net/documents/3609/lio-swoop2015-eng-final-2014-05-13.pdf)
> and I had previously assumed that the imagery was paid for by the province
> but the rights still owned by the imagery company, which is the case where I
> work. However, it looks like they might purchase the imagery outright
> because it says the imagery is owned by the Queen's Printer, which is the
> holder of the Crown's copyrights in Ontario.
> If that's the case you can try contacting their open data team to see if they
> can persuade the Ministry of Natural Resources to release the data openly
> under the Open Government Directive as a WMS/TIFFs or you can lodge a FIPPA
> request to have it released (I don't know how this affects you or us being
> able to use it in OSM, however).
> You can check out what their imagery looks like here to see if it's worth
> your time contacting them:
> http://www.giscoeapp.lrc.gov.on.ca/matm/Index.html?site=Make_A_Topographic_Map&viewer=MATM&locale=en-US
> (in Map Layers turn off Topographic Data to see the imagery).
> -Kevin (Kevo)
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> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Begin Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
> Missing access=no and access=private tags I understand...
>
> Daniel
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:[email protected]]
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> Sent: June-24-16 22:45
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] aerial imagery for missing roads
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> On 2016-06-23 10:26 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
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>> Going north outside of urban zones, there are many tracks for lumber
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>> areas. Hard to assess the accessibility of such roads for cars.
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> Most logging roads, certainly in BC, are private. While they look large, and
> make tempting additions to the map, accidentally routing traffic along them
> could be fatal. Logging trucks don't (can't!) stop, and unless you have
> authorization and the right radio to call in the checkpoints, the controller
> won't be able to tell you if there's a truck coming that you need to get out
> of the way of.
>
>
>
> CanVec also mistakenly digitized a bunch of private wind farm access roads in
> Ontario, such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39334427 .
>
> While using these might not be life-threatening, it is trespassing to use
> them.
>
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>
> cheers,
>
> Stewart
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> Au Québec comme en Colombie-Britannique et sans doute dans les autres
> provinces, ce sont effectivement des routes publiques construites et
> utilisées principalement pour le transport du bois. Il est possible d'y
> circuer pour des activités récréatives telles chasse et pêche. Cependant, les
> camions remorque lourdement chargés roulent vite, au milieu de la route et
> projettent des cailloux. ! La surface peut aussi être inégale. Plusieurs
> utilisent des véhicules 4x4 jugeant trop risqué d'utiliser une voiture.
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> Il est difficile de classifier ces routes, de décrire l'état de la route et
> les risques associés. Des contributeurs à distance avec un projet
> Maproulette n'auraient pas l'info adéquate pour classifier ces routes et y
> ajouter les clés adéquates pour décrire l'état de ces routes.
> Pierre
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> De : Martijn van Exel <[email protected]>
> À : Stewart C. Russell <[email protected]>
> Cc : "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Envoyé le : samedi 25 juin 2016 10h53
> Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] aerial imagery for missing roads
>
> Should we assume that a reasonable amount of these private or even dangerous
> routes have been mapped as public, potentially routable? What would be a good
> way to inspect these? Do we have reference data on these logging roads? A
> MapRoulette challenge could be useful.
> Martijn
>
> On Jun 24, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Stewart C. Russell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most logging roads, certainly in BC, are private. While they look large,
> and make tempting additions to the map, accidentally routing traffic
> along them could be fatal. Logging trucks don't (can't!) stop, and
> unless you have authorization and the right radio to call in the
> checkpoints, the controller won't be able to tell you if there's a truck
> coming that you need to get out of the way of.
>
> CanVec also mistakenly digitized a bunch of private wind farm access
> roads in Ontario, such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39334427 .
> While using these might not be life-threatening, it is trespassing to
> use them.
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