Hi Frederik,
I prefer to discuss with the community and find solutions. And we have to
understand what is the reality of certain countries, try to help the
contributors and avoid ultimatums, more or less intimidation ("I dont bother
what you did, I will press the button and erase everything"). We should not
encourage such inflammatory behaviors.
I would like that contributors from other countries do not come as preachers
of orthodoxy with no flexibility but come with a constructive spirit and
propose ways to respond to the challenge of mapping such huge areas while
improving the quality of the data.
See a comparison map of Germany with north of Quebec
http://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTUyMzYyMTg.MTM3MDg4NTc*MTQwOTk4NTg(ODE3MTYzNg~!DE*NTE2Nzg1Ng.MTMwNDIzOTY)MA
Germany is about half the size of north of Quebec where 35 000 people live in
isolated habitats. Germany is probably 10 to 20 times smaller then northern
areas of Canada. I dont know the official population size but probably in the
range 250,000 - 500,000 people.
The map, the tools, the procedures to enhance the map should not be only
thought for dense urbanised areas in Europe or southern parts of Canada, USA,
etc.
I would say that you propose a Police intimidating contributors with "If we
are not satisfied of the quality of your work - and we dont want to listen to
the canadian community - we will press the button and destruct everything."
Please, we should keep Star Wars games spirit outside of OSM and work with more
harmony and respect.
If people have finished developping the map in their country, and look for
challenges, they should do it with a positive behavior that respect OSM
volonteers. If we can develop tools to spy canadian contributors changesets and
diligently revert / destroy their efforts, we should surely be able to produce
more productive tools to help this community and other similar communities to
enhance the map.
Personnaly, I think that we have to be careful if we want to develop
communities and build a better map to avoid inflammatory language and
destructive actions. Community engagement this requires to respect volunteers,
to give them the feeling that they are part of a community, that we are
listening to them, that we are ready to support them.
regard
Pierre
De : Frederik Ramm <[email protected]>
À : [email protected]
Envoyé le : vendredi 2 Septembre 2016 16h02
Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Forests/Land Use, was: Canvec reverts
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Adam Martin wrote:
> That is the key here. Deleting information without replacing it with
> something more accurate is inherently destructive. There must be
> some thought as to what will be put back or one is essentially
> ripping the map up simply because you don't like how something looks
> or how it closely it follows a given rule.
On a general note, edits *have* been reverted in the past for the simple
reason of not following a given rule, without looking at whether the
edit improved the visuals or not.
For "normal mappers", OSM ususally encourages them to map what they can
or know - no need to do it perfectly. Even a street drawn from memory
("I know I took a left here and then popped out onto XY road later, so
let me pencil in that road...) is ok for manual mapping.
For imports, we expect a certain minimum quality and if the importer
cannot produce that then we ask them to simply hold off the import until
they (or someone else) can.
The reason for the difference in approaches is that a productive
importer can import data in one day that takes several person-years to
fix and that will even have a detrimental effect on manual mapping of
other features (what Paul Ramsey writes further down-thread), whereas
imperfect data contributed by normal mappers comes at a rate where it is
realistic to assume that other normal mappers can fix it.
Data imports can have a negative effect on map quality (not even talking
of community engagement). "It looks nice on the map" can be a
treacherous criterion; beneath the surfaceit can still be rubbish, and
rubbish should not be imported into OSM even if it looks nice.
Bye
Frederik
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